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Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #45 –
If Thomas is such a wonderful mentor and on field leader, why hasn't he been included in the leadership group?

Clearly, the playing group and coaching panel must have missed Thomas providing the on field direction and leadership that is so evident to some observers  :)

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Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #46 –
Quote from: DJC – on
If Thomas is such a wonderful mentor and on field leader, why hasn't he been included in the leadership group?

Clearly, the playing group and coaching panel must have missed Thomas providing the on field direction and leadership that is so evident to some observers  :)

So by the same logic Armfield only learned to be a leader in the off-season then?

Cmon man, you're clutching at straws. Just let it go.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #47 –
The only true measure of the Thomas trade (as with any trade) is whether we would do it again, knowing what we know now.

His on field leadership may be crap, or it may be better than anyone in the comp - no one knows for sure. Perhaps it's laudable to try and salvage something from what has been a bad trade.

And I would also add that judging by our performances since 2014, his on field directions are either not very good, or else they're going unheeded. 

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #48 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The only true measure of the Thomas trade (as with any trade) is whether we would do it again, knowing what we know now.

His on field leadership may be crap, or it may be better than anyone in the comp - no one knows for sure. Perhaps it's laudable to try and salvage something from what has been a bad trade.

And I would also add that judging by our performances since 2014, his on field directions are either not very good, or else they're going unheeded.

Let's just say that we (CFC) are trying to make the best of what was a very bad deal for us. Hopefully we will be back in control of the situation after this season.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #49 –
Quote from: DJC – on
If Thomas is such a wonderful mentor and on field leader, why hasn't he been included in the leadership group?

Clearly, the playing group and coaching panel must have missed Thomas providing the on field direction and leadership that is so evident to some observers  :)

Firstly you have to nominate yourself or accept a nomination for the leadership group, you are not just appointed.

If I recall correctly Thomas was asked this very question during the 2015 pre-season, about joining the leadership group, after he was allegedly nominated by the coaching staff, but he declined the offer saying he preferred to concentrate on recovering form and regaining some respect. Unfortunately we now know injury wrecked that season.

As for Carlton's leadership group, that's a very interesting topic to raise, with past greats like Lachie Henderson being a member of it in his traitorous final season!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #50 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Let's just say that we (CFC) are trying to make the best of what was a very bad deal for us. Hopefully we will be back in control of the situation after this season.

Nowhere near as bad as the Betts deal, yet posters keep banging on about Thomas.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #51 –
Quote from: LP – on
Maybe you are seeing what you want to see, like the stuff people saw watching McLean.

I expect this season the naysayers will keep bemoaning the selection of the likes of Thomas and White until the point their career ends. At which time I expect to hear the "I told you so" repeatedly after the fact.

Carlton needs to get as much as possible out of the older guys in 2017, while the young guys develop, let the oldies do some heavy lifting until the kids are ready and durable enough to step up.

Creative LP, very creative ^-^
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #52 –
Quote from: LP – on
Nowhere near as bad as the Betts deal, yet posters keep banging on about Thomas.

Maybe it's time then for a bit of "banging on" about Eddie now?  ;)
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #53 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The only true measure of the Thomas trade (as with any trade) is whether we would do it again, knowing what we know now.

His on field leadership may be crap, or it may be better than anyone in the comp - no one knows for sure. Perhaps it's laudable to try and salvage something from what has been a bad trade.

And I would also add that judging by our performances since 2014, his on field directions are either not very good, or else they're going unheeded.
Even not knowing what we know now, the answer is simple, No. SOS and co. wouldn't do that deal even if they were high on crack.
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Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Even not knowing what we know now, the answer is simple, No. SOS and co. wouldn't do that deal even if they were high on crack.

Yes. It's the club we should be filthy with, not Daisy. Nobody likes the Daisy deal, but he hasn't done anything wrong. His manager did what any decent manager does, and searched for the best deal. And the mighty CFC, doing what it does best, was there, chequebook in hand, ready to do business.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #55 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes. It's the club we should be filthy with, not Daisy. Nobody likes the Daisy deal, but he hasn't done anything wrong. His manager did what any decent manager does, and searched for the best deal. And the mighty CFC, doing what it does best, was there, chequebook in hand, ready to do business.

Yep, like it or not we have to make the most of it or pay him out - that's our choice.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #56 –
We'll know that we are again a force in the competition when discussions like the Thomas and Betty deals are simply part of Carlton folklore and not a major debating point.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #57 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
We'll know that we are again a force in the competition when discussions like the Thomas and Betty deals are simply part of Carlton folklore and not a major debating point.

Quite so.
 

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #58 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
We'll know that we are again a force in the competition when discussions like the Thomas and Betty deals are simply part of Carlton folklore and not a major debating point.

All going well it may not be long before discussion centres on:
- pick 13 ...... Brownlow
- the deal of the decade (GWS 4 way roll of the dice)
- Kreuzer to Flipper... Seamless transition

And other club's discussion centers on:
- how to sneak goals past the sensational six
- Eddie Betts mk2, how to stop the Blues next generation goal sneak

etc. etc... OK now I'm Carlton dreaming, but we're heading in the right direction IMO.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: What are your expectations for 2017?

Reply #59 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
So by the same logic Armfield only learned to be a leader in the off-season then?

Cmon man, you're clutching at straws. Just let it go.

You've boosted Thomas since the ill-fated decision was made Kruddler.  When it was apparent that his best footy was behind him, you started bleating about his leadership and professionalism.  You must enjoy flogging dead horses :)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball