Carlton Supporters Club

Geez mate, I understand the discussion around Gibbs and Murphy but I don't agree that Kreuzer is also in their basket.

He might not be in the very best ruckmen in the comp for his tapwork but only had to look at this week to see how important he is to our midfield group.

A non negotiable i have as a supporter and member is to see 100% effort - Every game and from every player. 

I sometimes watch Gibbs and know I'm not getting it and Murphy while better in this department sometimes still leaves me wondering if he could go in harder, tackle more chase harder etc.....Kreuzer however busts his nut for 120 mins in every game he plays. I love the big fella and wish we had a list full of players with his heart.

Should not be in this discussion.

100% correct Shawny. To be critical of he or any other player for not living up to pick no 1 expectations is nonsense, they didn't pick themselves at 1, clubs did. If everyone on our list put in like Kreuzer does, we would win more games that's for sure.

Weitering has 2nd year blues, they all get it because it is caused by the opposition not the player.

If you think this year is bad, think about having 5 or 6 débutantes with 2nd year blues next season!

The more we keep turning over the harder it will be to climb the ladder. We need players to get to 4 or 5 years, still be interested in playing for the club and be contracted before we can even dream of some success.

It why I argue against removing too many old heads at once, and why trading out Cripps and Weitering to bring in another bunch or four or five quality players might be the fastest way forward. We don't need one or two superstars, we need 30 goodish players.

When was the last time you saw a Carlton player intently hurt an opposition player. Rhys Jones?

Well why didn't we bring in a couple of older heads last draft (Barlow?)

Saying we are too young then trading out two soon to be SUPERSTARS is crazy.

I wouldn't be putting Weiters and Cripps in the same basket as Smurph and Squibbs. Right from the start we all saw that these two couldn't take a game by the scruff of it's neck and change it's course. And we have spoken about it ever since.

Crippa and Weiters on the other hand, I know it's early days but these guys are good and to trade them I think we would lose a lot of members.
These are two players to build the future around because all Carlton talks about is the future and the past. For the last 15 years there has been no Present, no Now.
We are too far into changing course from this rebuild so we may as just keep going HOPING it is the correct course of action because everything else we have tried turned to poo.

The trading of Smurph and Squibbs would be in the Bulldogs trading of their stars a couple of years ago category.
Soul changing stuff, Culture changing stuff AND this is what we need.
Something still stinks at Carlton, maybe it's from what we were cooking but something else needs to change.
It could be culture
It could be leadership
It could be the pre game routines (how many games have we not shown up to in the first quarter?) Need a good old fashion fire up. Oh wait, that might hurt someones feelings from all the yelling.

Not sure what it is but I'm tired of pretty boys with no mongrel playing for my footy club. Think of past players we had and if they were playing for some else we would've hated them because they were so tough and played on the edge. (Johnston, Williams) Who do we have now? Why do you think the Dawks were feared? Bloody errant elbows from you know who and they always tackled to hurt.
When was the last time you saw a Carlton player intently hurt an opposition player. Rhys Jones?

We’re a nice team with nice footballers

Spanner has touched on something here and it needs exploring.
Because you watch, when Squibbs goes to Adelaide he will become the player we all know he is capable of.
Then the AFL will see some non racial Booing

I wouldnt get too excited about the trade offerings for Gibbs and Murphy......if the Crows win the flag then they wont want Gibbs and Murphy will be 30 going into next season and I dont see clubs paying a premium for him either...

I wouldnt get too excited about the trade offerings for Gibbs and Murphy......if the Crows win the flag then they wont want Gibbs and Murphy will be 30 going into next season and I dont see clubs paying a premium for him either...

Gibbs has admitted in the past to perhaps not giving his footy 100% commitment, and his apparent lack of intensity at times drive many supporter nuts.  Yep, decent trade and he's gawn.

Good luck on Touhy for doing well at Geelong....  easier to play there with than with us ATM.  But Frankly, he played full seasons in 2015 and 2016 and although winning a coaches team gong, he didn't impress and his running around for us this year would have not made one iota of difference to the results thus far (other than keeping MacCreadie or Williamson out).  I guess the question is why he failed to deliver his best with us and had to go elsewhere to show it; when he played with us he looked like Tarzan and played like Jane.  I've never seen such a heavy-bodied player so easily beaten by small marking opponents, once the ball is above his eye line he panics.

BTW DJC,  of the current crew Cripps is not adverse to sinking the shoulder in when tackling.  In the game that Gibbs slung that player, every Port player that tried to square up got Crippered and they didn't like it.

That's a big if.
What if they fall short and the perception is they need one more quality mid but didn't do the deal when they had the chance?
You don't get many cracks at it and if you are close, you need to put the finishing touches on your list.
They obviously think he is of value or they wouldn't have had a crack last year.

I'd say that would be when Gibbs got done for a sling tackle.

That's a big if.
What if they fall short and the perception is they need one more quality mid but didn't do the deal when they had the chance?
You don't get many cracks at it and if you are close, you need to put the finishing touches on your list.
They obviously think he is of value or they wouldn't have had a crack last year.