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Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
And right on cue:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/adam-treloar-is-the-afls-turnover-king/news-story/504bfcd6d3a0dfb57aeffbce278537d4

Its interesting when you look at figures like this how many top liners appear in the list.

MOST CLANGER + INEFFECTIVE KICKS   
Dustin Martin   40
Bryce Gibbs   34
Adam Treloar   33
Andrew Gaff   33
Dayne Zorko   31
Marc Murphy   31
Zach Merrett   31
Gary Ablett   31
Dylan Shiel   30
Trent Cotchin   29

MOST TURNOVERS   
Adam Treloar   28
Tom Mitchell   28
Matt Crouch   26
Taylor Adams   25
Dustin Martin   24
Nathan Jones   24
Jake Lloyd   24
Patrick Dangerfield 24
Zach Merrett   24
Marc Murphy   29

Those are the players that tend to have the most disposals for their respective teams, so not necessarily a surprise. I'd be interested to see the disposal efficiency for these players, and whether there is any correlation between higher DE and more successful teams.

Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #76 –
The other thing that would be interesting is to see these stats on a team-wide basis i.e which team has the most clangers, ineffective kicks and turnovers, which would give a clear picture of whether the malaise is team wide, or restricted to certain individuals. This would give an idea of the connection between sender and receiver, and the understanding that exists (or doesn't) between players.

Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #77 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Trading Cripps/Weitering. wtf!?

Wow, that would be a quick way to destroy whats left of this once mighty Club....

Agreed, if the price is right, trade Gibbs, Muphy and Kreuzer so long as the replacements are better!!

Agree...going trade crazy hoping to pick up 4 picks for 2 stars of the future for example etc is not only soul destroying for supporters but not playing the odds..
We need to get Cripps some help because he is banged up and doing all the heavy lifting and Weitering needs a rest and returned to CHB where he can
learn more about senior footy and get some confidence back in a position he knows better than most and be the leader we expect him to be...
We turned Andrew Walker into a banged up no position to call his own player by trouble shooting every problem we had with him and I fear Weitering will get the same treatment.
Time to ditch the Weitering swingman idea and give the kid a break, we have a 204cm CHF in the VFL doing well....where is the logic in seeing Weitering smashed each week and now some want to trade him out because he isnt doing so well... >:(
SOS should have got Cripps some help and recruited at least one more big bodied mid, the signs were there last season he was sore and its been a list management mistake...

Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #78 –
Let's all calm down.

Trading Weitering and Cripps will Lose CFC a huge amount of members - including my family.

We look to have recuited well let's just all take a deep breath and see how the year pans out.

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Reply #79 –
Gee the Gibbs/Murphy dynamic duo have really shown their worth since Cripps has been injured.

F*cking disgrace the pair of them. Who saw Murphy sh*t himself fearing contact to then cough up a hand ball in panic to basically hand Geelong their first goal. Soft C*CK extraordinaire!

Can't wait until both these guys are no longer at the club. I'm over their piss poor effort and selective attitude.

Murphy should also be stripped of the captaincy. He's not a captain's arsehole...
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Reply #80 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
Gee the Gibbs/Murphy dynamic duo have really shown their worth since Cripps has been injured.

F*cking disgrace the pair of them. Who saw Murphy sh*t himself fearing contact to then cough up a hand ball in panic to basically hand Geelong their first goal. Soft C*CK extraordinaire!

Can't wait until both these guys are no longer at the club. I'm over their piss poor effort and selective attitude.

Murphy should also be stripped of the captaincy. He's not a captain's arsehole...

Go back to Bomberblitz you grub.
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Reply #82 –
The last chance to get something decent for Murphy was last year.
Murphy is MUCH better than most people give him credit for.
He isn't Dangerfield or Judd or the likes, but has consistently been a performer and would be close to winning out B&F again this year. But he is 30 now and you rarely see a top pick being spent on a 30+ year old.

Bryce is 28 and still has value, he would be still rated very highly at Adelaide and I think they would expect him to come in and be in their top 2 midfielders still.

I still think we should have gone crazy with selling off the older players last year, but the boat has been missed a little (imo).

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Reply #83 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
Gee the Gibbs/Murphy dynamic duo have really shown their worth since Cripps has been injured.

F*cking disgrace the pair of them. Who saw Murphy sh*t himself fearing contact to then cough up a hand ball in panic to basically hand Geelong their first goal. Soft C*CK extraordinaire!

Can't wait until both these guys are no longer at the club. I'm over their piss poor effort and selective attitude.

Murphy should also be stripped of the captaincy. He's not a captain's arsehole...
I saw that in the first qtr and thought similar thoughts.
I think you are right but need to take the emotion out of your argument.
We are heading into a new era and so therefore still need to cut ties with the old and Murphy being Capt is part of that.
Yes he has tried but never raised to the lofty standards we wanted. Maybe injuries, his body size, his attitude and even the players around him didn't provide the Capt we expect.
Some games he was good but more often than not. ....
So you are right a new Capt is required and on form and body language Crippa is the only choice.
Doullherty is just that, just like the great man he is always there and rarely makes a mistake but lacks that presence that aurora, that something that Cripps has. Don't get me wrong, I looove Doullherty but not as Capt, would be better as Vice Capt.
Keep Murph, don't trade.
Gibbs, bloody Gibbs!
One week he lifts heaven and earth but the next week barely lifts a finger.
When he wants to he is hot but more often than not, he is not.
He will play well in a good side because he is the cream when other players do the heavy lifting.
If he was a good roll model, I would say keep but it appears he is not.
So trade for a couple of decent players that want to bleed for the jumper.
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Reply #84 –
In the midfield you have blokes playing a number of roles.  There are first handlers... the blokes who win the ball at the coal face and get it out under intense pressure (a la Cripps, Mitchell x2, Priddis, Selwood, Kennedy, Martin etc) , first and second receivers, blockers and outside distributors.

Gibbs is one of the best first receivers in the game, but when he is forced to win the initial pill from the contest stoppage he is hopeless.  Cripps lets the others play their part, without Cripps the possession chain breaks down.
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Reply #85 –
Don't underestimate the absence of both Cripps AND Ed Curnow at the moment. Curnow' ability to stop a player and win his own ball these days , has been invaluable. When you lose you extractor and the guy who makes sure their main man ain't getting the clearsnce, then you are heading for Struggle Street.

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Reply #86 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
Gee the Gibbs/Murphy dynamic duo have really shown their worth since Cripps has been injured.

F*cking disgrace the pair of them. Who saw Murphy sh*t himself fearing contact to then cough up a hand ball in panic to basically hand Geelong their first goal. Soft C*CK extraordinaire!

Can't wait until both these guys are no longer at the club. I'm over their piss poor effort and selective attitude.

Murphy should also be stripped of the captaincy. He's not a captain's arsehole...
I dont recall him cacking himself, rather he dished over a HB to his right instead of his left where we appeared to have runners free. Yes the HB missed the target, TO occured and a goal to Geel. But lets put last night into perspective. They are 2nd and we are 17th for a reason and its not because of Gibbs and Murphy. The smashed us all over the park, even Kruze who is in AA contention got hammered by Smith. They did everything so much better than us across the board, thats the difference.
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Reply #87 –
In his post match presser, Bolton emphasized that with our young list and injuries, guys like Murph and Gibbs are carrying a heavy load, particularly through the midfield.
 

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Reply #88 –
I watched Murph in the last - he doesn't stop - he was also tagged heavily and blocked off the ball - that would have to wear you down near the end of a tough season, coming after years of tough seasons.  And I like him - I think he does BLEED blue.

Gibbs I watched and I don't know why he does this - but if he's going after an opponent and they get rid of the ball, he keeps at them to push them rather than go to the next contest - so he's expending energy for no reason, there's no real effect because he doesn't push the guy much, just a nudge - and he gets caught out.  I saw him do it time and again.

Maybe it was just frustration on Gibbs' part, but it just seemed like a waste of time and energy to me.

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Reply #89 –
Murphy and Gibbs will still demand decent picks

They are both great talents that need more support in the middle which they don't have.

Alas their leadership is substandard we need to rebuild the midfield and the leadership within that midfield. Which we have not had since Judd and Carrazzo retired

I think we need to move them on and rebuild