When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

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When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

April 26, 2017, 04:42:48 pm

Thought it might be a reasonable discussion for us to muse over when we believe the slack we members/supporters are cutting BB, SOS and Triggster re the 'reset', should be over and why. Finite goals must be set, it's when humans are at their best... open ended goals breed failure.

Yes, they're delivering on no more quick fixes and no more saviours. Ripper. Turning over the list and getting young talent into the place looks to be going well also. Ripper. So when does the consistent impressiveness start?

I don't buy the approx 5 year cr@p for a second. Most 5 year plans fail badly. 3 is good as there's enough tolerance in the first year to 18 months to rip things down, set the set the new foundations then restart ...but have some pressure build pretty soon after that to deliver or begin to deliver on the promises - and the bottom line is that we're building/doing all of this for the stated goal of 'sustained excellence'.

For me the honeymoon period must be over by the middle of next year., with obvious signs of strong improvement by the end of this year. Of course there could be mitigating circumstances such as unreasonable numbers of injuries.

(And by the way, Triggster... you owe us big time for removing Eddie from us to go to the Crows. So, how about a major coup/signing or two at the end of this year!!!!)

Thoughts?

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #1 – April 26, 2017, 04:58:00 pm

What exactly is "consistent impressiveness" ?

What are "obvious signs of strong improvement" ?

The problem is that people look for different things when they look for improvement, impressiveness etc.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #2 – April 26, 2017, 04:59:25 pm

As I see it, the way these things work there is no set period when you can say "the honeymoon is over."

Its a bit like an Ice Sculpture....there's a slow melting away of support.

For some.... the honeymoon has already ended.

Others will hang on a bit longer.

The hard core will hang on until the whole thing is just a puddle at their feet.

The trick for the folks in charge is to get things turned around and on the improve before it reaches a point where it can't be saved.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #3 – April 26, 2017, 05:15:15 pm

Watching BB's press conference, I got the distinct impression that he's not riding out any honeymoon period. He was far less jovial, more terse and direct with his answers to the press which is a direct reflection of his mood. He wants success and he wants it soon IMO, he's not accepting where we are at and nor should we.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #4 – April 26, 2017, 05:23:09 pm

If the club is preaching a 3 year re-build, then year 4 will be finals or bust I would imagine.
Year 3 will give a lot better indication of whether we are on the right track, than this year IMO.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #5 – April 26, 2017, 05:38:13 pm

What Lods and Sexybronco said.
- There is no time period, it takes what it takes as long as its done right. You will see "green shoots" more often along the way which tells you its right.
- He says it repeatedly however its correct. They do not absolve themselves from going out and trying to win every game but circumstances may prevent results going our way. It is what it is as long as we are on the right course.
We have to be patient, we are coming from a long way back as has be stated and debated ad nauseam.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #6 – April 26, 2017, 05:49:44 pm

Saints on the rebuild in this present cycle spent three years circling the bottom then jumped midpack in the 4th year.....a bottom 4 finish in 2019 might be fatal for Bolton...

The panic signs will be abandoning youth next draft and paying out big for messiahs like Fyfe, Martin etc....if that happens and the Pres etc are pushing buying in talent then you know the bullet is in the chamber....

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #7 – April 26, 2017, 05:59:36 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 26, 2017, 05:49:44 pm

Saints on the rebuild in this present cycle spent three years circling the bottom then jumped midpack in the 4th year.....a bottom 4 finish in 2019 might be fatal for Bolton...

The panic signs will be abandoning youth next draft and paying out big for messiahs like Fyfe, Martin etc....if that happens and the Pres etc are pushing buying in talent then you know the bullet is in the chamber....

Why say that when Trigg already said last year that this off season was when we start looking for free agents.

The list build is underway. How long it takes depends on how long the youngsters take to come good.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #8 – April 26, 2017, 06:14:47 pm

For me the honeymoon period finished round 1 last year.

It's about growth and improvement in all facets at the club.

This is a test of the club not individuals.

An example might be a competitive seconds team, which we might have finally. Recruitment of high end talent and their progress.

Individuals and positions come and go. Hopefully Bolts and all the people at the start of the journey are there when we're successful but it's very unlikely.

Bolts, SOS, Trigg, McKay,Craig etc might play a role in the success but may not be there to finish. Likewise there's bound to be people we don't yet know of who may contribute plenty .

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #9 – April 26, 2017, 06:25:35 pm

Quote from: jeza – on April 26, 2017, 05:59:36 pm

Why say that when Trigg already said last year that this off season was when we start looking for free agents.

The list build is underway. How long it takes depends on how long the youngsters take to come good.

Free agents are different to messiahs ie Fyfe, Martin etc.......we dont need messiahs and we dont need to over do free agents at this stage......Saints have gone low key and with the exception of Carlisle have limited their free agents/imports to cheap kids on the rise ie Hickey, Steele, Weller, Bruce, Stevens, Roberton etc...
We are only 1 year and 5 games into a rebuild, why would you be chasing big names at this stage?....unless you were panicked by bottom finishes....

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #10 – April 26, 2017, 06:34:20 pm

Bolton v Clarkson first 27 games

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #11 – April 26, 2017, 06:47:27 pm

hard to stop the blow outs when the midfield is lead by Murph, Gibbs and an (injured?) Cripps?

Murph and Gibbs have never been good defensively.

That said, defence, is a team effort....it went missing badly Friday night and in Q3 against the Coast.

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #12 – April 26, 2017, 06:54:01 pm

Definitely over when the first child came along....

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #13 – April 26, 2017, 07:27:55 pm

Quote from: bratblue – on April 26, 2017, 06:54:01 pm

Definitely over when the first child came along....

2E had problems the year his kid was born, but bounced strongly.

Pity Bryce;s bounce will be playing along side Eddie and Sauce....

Re: When Is The Honeymoon Period Over?

Reply #14 – April 26, 2017, 07:58:28 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 26, 2017, 06:25:35 pm

Free agents are different to messiahs ie Fyfe, Martin etc.......we dont need messiahs and we dont need to over do free agents at this stage......Saints have gone low key and with the exception of Carlisle have limited their free agents/imports to cheap kids on the rise ie Hickey, Steele, Weller, Bruce, Stevens, Roberton etc...
We are only 1 year and 5 games into a rebuild, why would you be chasing big names at this stage?....unless you were panicked by bottom finishes....

Agree EB, get the right young talent in, build, develop and things will turn and become a club of choice. Target two younger guns say instead of 1 Fyfe or Dusty type messiah.