Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting
Reply #146 –
Firstly, they showed some footage of the room, and piles of spent cartridges, there were no visible empty belts or disintegrated belt clips. You'd have one or the other if he had a belt feed weapon.
Secondly, the rate of firing was too low for belt feeds at the calibres being used, those weapons fire at a much higher rate typically 900 to 6000 Rnds per minute.
Thirdly, there were no belt feed weapons shown in the pictures of the room, and there is no evidence of any other shooter elsewhere. I gather that is what your poster is trying to imply, somebody using a fully automatic weapon from another location.
So do we know all the weapons and magazines he had, has all that info has been released?
Regardless, the weapons shown can be fitted with 100 round circular clips, at 7 rounds a second he can fire for 15s straight if the weapon survives, and while I haven't gone back and watched the unbroken footage I don't recall any bursts coming close to 15s in duration. 7 Rnds a second would be the firing rate of some of those weapons fully modified to auto, others would be slower, genuine automatic weapons fire at 15 Rnds a second or higher. You wouldn't even hear the individual shots, just a continuous burst!
I'm not sure a US$30 Bump Stock kit gives you anywhere near 7 rounds a second, 3 or 4 sustained probably, but it certainly gives you more than you can possibly fire manually out of a 100 round clip.
It's tiring firing a large clip continuously, the guy was no spring chicken, the weapons are not designed to be used that way, they recoil, kick and throw. Much of the footage seems to indicate short bursts of just a few seconds. As DJC mentions, photos of the scenes showed tripods, but even on these the weapons shown are not easily stabilised.
To change the clip I'd give him 5s under duress, I think he'd have to stop and look at what he was doing under the mechanism, and he'd be looking over his shoulder or on the video screens at the same time. You do not setup video surveillance and not look at it occasionally. But if he was cool, calm and rehearsed then as Prof E stated those taped together flat clips shown in some of the pics could be flipped in as little as 2s and typically hold about 20 to 30 Rnds each. At Bump Stock firing rates that gives him 6s to 8s of firing from a flat clip which seems to be equated by the footage I've seen on the news, which according to some has obviously been edited for nefarious purposes! 
We do not know what charge he was using in the ammunition, at 350m and firing down he doesn't need a big charge. If he put a full grain ammunition in a 100 round clip and fired continuously some of those weapons would have failed. I gather the fire alarms going off were probably from him dropping one of the discharged weapons on the a carpet causing a fire, or perhaps the curtains smoldering, but I didn't notice anything in the pictures I've seen. The barrels would get far hotter than the casings, but I can imagine the curtain near a broken windows being exposed to hot exhaust gases. Most of any smoke from the discharge of the weapons probably went out the window with the rounds. We do not know why two windows are smashed, although it's clear only one person was in the room as there was no other way out. Possibly a panicked attempt to clear smoke, possibly following a preferred target around the corner, perhaps somebody was firing back at him. I'm a little bit surprised being America that the face of that hotel doesn't look like a colander! 
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