Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #90 – February 25, 2022, 01:04:12 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on February 25, 2022, 09:08:08 amThere would be no women in sport.The minority lobbyists will set an agenda to have law past that require quotas.Then the rules of the sport will be changed to ensure women are not put as excessive risk. Quote Selected
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #91 – February 25, 2022, 02:39:17 pm ALL women should stand out of sport if they have to compete against an athlete born a man. Let alone tolerating having one on their team. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #92 – February 25, 2022, 05:37:11 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on February 25, 2022, 09:08:08 amThere would be no women in sport.Don't tell me you want equality then tell me its not fair that women aren't represented when it's open to both genders.Equity and equality aren't the same thing.Hannah can play with the boys if she wants to.If its a woman's game and you were born with male anatomy then you dont qualify to play afl w.I'll let Darcy work out why gender fluid causes issues here too. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #93 – March 25, 2023, 05:35:36 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on February 25, 2022, 09:08:08 amThere would be no women in sport.Notice @madbluboy that world swimming and athletics seem to agree with us, and have kyboshed transgenders athletes competing in women's divisions.For me this was both obvious and inevitable.I don't get why some people want to bury their head in the sand regarding just how far some would go to secure a medal that in some countries is attached to a life long income. They must have missed the 70s and 80s when the East Germans were flying!The new rules do not cause an inequality, they stop an inequality from happening!This issue is going to hit the fan in AFLW and EPLW as well, especially if wages keep rising. Quote Selected Last Edit: March 25, 2023, 05:39:06 pm by LP
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #94 – March 25, 2023, 07:40:27 pm I’m quite comfortable with transgender athletes not being permitted to take part in women’s sport. Sexual dimorphism is significant for Homo sapiens and the physical attributes of transgender females may provide too great an advantage over athletes who were born female.A friend’s child recently transitioned. She was quite a good basketballer as a young man but wanting to achieve fame and fortune as a female basketballer played absolutely no part in her desire to be the person she knew she was.The proposition that an athlete would transition in order to achieve success is about as realistic as someone maiming themselves in order to be a Paralympian. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #95 – March 25, 2023, 10:55:40 pm We live in a society were people gut others like fish for personal gain, some self-harm for a variety of reasons, others profit from the misery of others, yet we are to believe it's untenable that some may gender alter themselves for profit or some other form of reward. Quote Selected
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #96 – March 26, 2023, 12:48:01 am Quote from: LP – on March 25, 2023, 10:55:40 pmWe live in a society were people gut others like fish for personal gain, some self-harm for a variety of reasons, others profit from the misery of others, yet we are to believe it's untenable that some may gender alter themselves for profit or some other form of reward.Of course it’s possible, but but it’s highly unlikely. A bit like growing a second head or third leg 🙄 Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #97 – March 26, 2023, 12:56:01 am I think everyone deserves the opportunity to compete in a sport they love.The thing about sports like track and field and swimming (just to name two) is....They have categories divided by sex.They have age categories (usually at 2 year intervals) up until open.They have masters age groups every five years after age thirty.They have multiple catgories for athletes with a disability.Doesn't seem that hard to me to add two more categories....trans-male to female and female to male. Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #98 – March 26, 2023, 07:25:33 am Quote from: Lods – on March 26, 2023, 12:56:01 amI think everyone deserves the opportunity to compete in a sport they love.The thing about sports like track and field and swimming (just to name two) is....They have categories divided by sex.They have age categories (usually at 2 year intervals) up until open.They have masters age groups every five years after age thirty.They have multiple catgories for athletes with a disability.Doesn't seem that hard to me to add two more categories....trans-male to female and female to male.I agree, I could be wrong but I thought I read somewhere the trans people don't want that as they find it discriminatory (or something along those lines). Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #99 – March 26, 2023, 08:38:09 am Quote from: DJC – on March 26, 2023, 12:48:01 amOf course it’s possible, but but it’s highly unlikely. A bit like growing a second head or third leg 🙄Yes so unlikely they must struggle to find surgeons, specialists, hospitals, lobby groups, public funding, bureaucratic support, after all the numbers are so low there is no money in it!Sooner or later a top golfer or tennis player will transition, they won't need to be very heavily inclined to be triggered, the lure of the cash and fame will be too much, and it will all blow up! Moths to the spotlights! Quote Selected Last Edit: March 26, 2023, 08:43:27 am by LP
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #100 – March 26, 2023, 06:54:07 pm Quote from: Lods – on March 26, 2023, 12:56:01 amI think everyone deserves the opportunity to compete in a sport they love.The thing about sports like track and field and swimming (just to name two) is....They have categories divided by sex.They have age categories (usually at 2 year intervals) up until open.They have masters age groups every five years after age thirty.They have multiple catgories for athletes with a disability.Doesn't seem that hard to me to add two more categories....trans-male to female and female to male.Another way to do it is to stop having gender versions of the same sport.All genders allowed.May the best competitor win. Quote Selected
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #101 – March 26, 2023, 07:00:22 pm I suspect you might get an argument from the female sportsfolk. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #102 – March 26, 2023, 07:18:19 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on March 26, 2023, 06:54:07 pmAnother way to do it is to stop having gender versions of the same sport.All genders allowed.May the best competitor win. Thats relativelyt common nowadays.FemaleandOpen divisions. Quote Selected
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #103 – March 27, 2023, 08:13:24 am Society has done this to itself, it's made divisions, then it's artificially balanced the ledger, now minorities are being made equal with majorities, and finally we have delivered a choice.No matter what argument you will hear being made that is not nature, nature never gives it's creations a choice it choses for them, the problem is people interfering, the problem is human. Quote Selected
Re: Hannah Mouncey Reply #104 – March 27, 2023, 01:41:04 pm Quote from: Lods – on March 26, 2023, 07:00:22 pm I suspect you might get an argument from the female sportsfolk. No doubt, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it wouldnt be descriminatory on whom plays. All players welcome. You might see a Hannah Mouncey playing forward for St. Kilda this season, but it wouldn't be because Hannah's status, it would be because she is 195cm and built like a house and can take a contested mark and compete physically with the others.Whenever I start to hear all these arguments about trans women being real women and playing on the same playing field, I immediately think of Karsten Braasch, and the story of him facing off against the Williams sisters. Ranked at over 200 in the world, and playing against admittedly younger opponents only freshly hitting the open pro tour, he was able to despatch both of them despite smoking durries at the change of ends.Things might be a bit different today, and that may result in a more balanced match if a competitive male truly faced off against a competitive female, but ultimately it will silence the calls for trans people to play in the sport of the opposite gender. Quote Selected
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