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Age & talent profile

Our list was widely recognised as being unbalanced in terms of age and ability going back a few years.  Just thought I'd try my hand at putting something together, and seeing what people think.  I'll do it by player number order.  Age is a roughy, simply subtracting year of birth from 2017.  For their ratings, it was done pretty quick and dirty, and is open for discussion.  A bit of gut feel applied to how much impact they had this year (a combo of ability, games played, injury etc...). And then having a guess at how they'll progress in the next 2 years.

Player           Age     Games     2017   2018  2019+ Potential
J Silvagni      20       28           C           B       B
M Murphy     30       236          A           A       B
Sammo         19       20           C           B       A     
Simmo         33        286         B           B       C
Kreuz           28        161         A           A       A
Cripper         22        59           B          A        A
Big H            20        2            D          C        B 
Sam K          24        59           C          C        C
Boeky           24        25          C           B        B
Jed               25        48           C          B        B
Liam             26        95           B          A        A
Doc              24        92           A           A        A
Billie             25        47           D          B        B
Rowey          30        82           C           D        C     
Plow             23        60           B           B        B
Marchy         21        23           B           B        A
Weiters         20        42           C           B        A
Fishboy        19         17           C           B        B 
Harrison        19        8             C          C         B 
Cunners        20        11           C           B         A
Polson           19        1             D          C         C
Charlie          20        27           B           A         A
Willo             19        15           C           B         B
Nick              23        38           C           C         C
Pickett           21        10          C            B         A
Phillips          26         31          D            C        B
Ed                 28        122         C           B         B
Kerr              19          0           D           C         C
Byrne            23          15          D          C         B
Daisy            30          218        B           B         C
Levi              27           94         B           B         B
Whitey          29           87         C           C         C
Wrighty         28          138        B           B         B

JGM              20           0          D           C          C
Kym             19            0          D          C           C
ASOS            30           60        C           B          C

Lang             21           44         n/a       B           B
Lobbe           28           92         n/a       C           C
BamBam       20          19          n/a       B           A

Pick 3            18           0          n/a        C          B
Pick 10          18           0          n/a        ?           ?




Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #1 –
woops - i seem to have pressed the wrong keys and posted before getting any of it written up... 

hint - don't hit the tab key (hoping to line up a table into neat columns) and then press enter.  It submits your post.

Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Tragic – on
Our list was widely recognised as being unbalanced in terms of age and ability going back a few years.  Just thought I'd try my hand at putting something together, and seeing what people think.  I'll do it by player number order.  Age is a roughy, simply subtracting year of birth from 2017.  For their ratings, it was done pretty quick and dirty, and is open for discussion.  A bit of gut feel applied to how much impact they had this year (a combo of ability, games played, injury etc...). And then having a guess at how they'll progress in the next 2 years.

Player           Age     Games     2017   2018  2019+ Potential
J Silvagni      20       28           C           B       B
M Murphy     30       236          A           A       B
Sammo         19       20           C           B       A     
Simmo         33        286         B           B       C
Kreuz           28        161         A           A       A
Cripper         22        59           B          A        A
Big H            20        2            D          C        B 
Sam K          24        59           C          C        C
Boeky           24        25          C           B        B
Jed               25        48           C          B        B
Liam             26        95           B          A        A
Doc              24        92           A           A        A
Billie             25        47           D          B        B
Rowey          30        82           C           D        C     
Plow             23        60           B           B        B
Marchy         21        23           B           B        A
Weiters         20        42           C           B        A
Fishboy        19         17           C           B        B 
Harrison        19        8             C          C         B 
Cunners        20        11           C           B         A
Polson           19        1             D          C         C
Charlie          20        27           B           A         A
Willo             19        15           C           B         B
Nick              23        38           C           C         C
Pickett           21        10          C            B         A
Phillips          26         31          D            C        B
Ed                 28        122         C           B         B
Kerr              19          0           D           C         C
Byrne            23          15          D          C         B
Daisy            30          218        B           B         C
Levi              27           94         B           B         B
Whitey          29           87         C           C         C
Wrighty         28          138        B           B         B

JGM              20           0          D           C          C
Kym             19            0          D          C           C
ASOS            30           60        C           B          C

Lang             21           44         n/a       B           B
Lobbe           28           92         n/a       C           C
BamBam       20          19          n/a       B           A

Pick 3            18           0          n/a        C          B
Pick 10          18           0          n/a        ?           ?
Nice work, although I did find it hard to identify everyone. :) If the guys improve as you suggest, then we could be a very daunting prospect in 2019 and beyond.
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #3 –
I admit I found it a bit hard to read and to work out who each player was also with the nicknames and some surnames etc.
I have put the data through a tool on my computer to help with the formatting. I changed the names to be the standard surnames for. I haven't changed any of the ratings, Just thought having it more readable might generate more discussion.
Hope that is okay Tragic

Player          Age Games 2017   2018 2019+ 
J Silvagni        20     28     C      B      B
Murphy            30    236     A      A      B
Petrevski-Seton   19     20     C      B      A
Simpson           33    286     B      B      C
Kreuzer           28    161     A      A      A
Cripps            22     59     B      A      A
McKay             20      2     D      C      B
Kerridge          24     59     C      C      C
Boekhurst         24     25     C      B      B
Lamb              25     48     C      B      B
Jones             26     95     B      A      A
Docherty          24     92     A      A      A
Smedts            25     47     D      B      B
Rowe              30     82     C      D      C
Plowman           23     60     B      B      B
Marchbank         21     23     B      B      A
Weitering         20     42     C      B      A
Fisher            19     17     C      B      B
Macreadie         19      8     C      C      B
Cunningham        20     11     C      B      A
Polson            19      1     D      C      C
C Curnow          20     27     B      A      A
Williamson        19     15     C      B      B
Graham            23     38     C      C      C
Pickett           21     10     C      B      A
Phillips          26     31     D      C      B
E Curnoww         28    122     C      B      B
Kerr              19      0     D      C      C
Byrne             23     15     D      C      B
Thomas            30    218     B      B      C
Casboult          27     94     B      B      B
White             29     87     C      C      C
Wright            28    138     B      B      B
Rookies 
Glass-McGasker    20      0     D      C      C
LeBois            19      0     D      C      C
A Silvagni        30     60     C      B      C
Traded  
Lang              21     44   n/a      B      B
Lobbe             28     92   n/a      C      C
Kennedy           20     19   n/a      B      A
Draftees
Pick 3            18      0   n/a      C      B
Pick 10           18      0   n/a      ?      ?
Pick 30           18      0   n/a      ?      ?
Goals for 2017
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #4 –
thanks mateinone - that looks better.

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Reply #5 –
Okay, so I've worked out who everybody is except the last 3. Anyone know?

Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #6 –
I mocked up a table with age & talent according to position to see where the club needed more depth, and the age profile of each position. (not sure if it uploaded, first time doing this).



This shows the need to rookie a young ruckman this year, and add some more depth across the board. Also shows we go about 28 deep at the moment and there should be competition for spots when healthy.

Age is based on how old they will be the majority of the 2018 season.
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #7 –
can you set a width on that image?
It isn't really readable
Goals for 2017
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #9 –
Wow, I didn't realise how young Kerr was, in fact I thought he was at the older end of things. Now I'm even more impressed with his efforts last season! :o Handing out some pain, rucking while under duress!

I don't think JGM is any more or less likely than say LeBios, Polson or Phillips. I think Macreadie has way more chance than the same set of players. That defensive group is virtually a coin toss based on fitness.

I wouldn't have Byrne or Lang as probable, they are also maybe at this stage. For example I doubt Mullett is any less chance than Byrne. Mullett has some real tricks, and has runs on the board at AFL level is a spud side!
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #10 –
Great visual Pezz!!!
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #11 –
Fisher is an inside mid..not outside...
Lang I would class as a small/medium forward in the main....didnt get onball much at the Cats for obvious reasons and is unproven enough not to be classed as a mid IMO..

Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #12 –
So yeah this is just my opinion on our best 22/depth. Obviously there will be differing views otherwise we wouldnt have this forum for discussion. So take it as you will, use this as a base and make your own alterations to reflect your views.

Quote from: LP – on
Wow, I didn't realise how young Kerr was, in fact I thought he was at the older end of things. Now I'm even more impressed with his efforts last season! :o Handing out some pain, rucking while under duress!

I don't think JGM is any more or less likely than say LeBios, Polson or Phillips. I think Macreadie has way more chance than the same set of players. That defensive group is virtually a coin toss based on fitness.

I wouldn't have Byrne or Lang as probable, they are also maybe at this stage. For example I doubt Mullett is any less chance than Byrne. Mullett has some real tricks, and has runs on the board at AFL level is a spud side!

As we add our draftee crop, LeBois, Polson and Phillips may be moved into that lower category and others might reshuffle too.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fisher is an inside mid..not outside...
Lang I would class as a small/medium forward in the main....didnt get onball much at the Cats for obvious reasons and is unproven enough not to be classed as a mid IMO..

Fish, SPS and Cuners can be classed as both inside and outside because they all run through the centre but typically come off the edge of the square at centre bounces.

SOS highlighted in his post-trade wrap video that Lang will be playing midfield, which is why i have put him there. but of course this is subject to change once the season begins.
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Re: Age & talent profile

Reply #13 –
Nice work Pezz - interesting analysis.

It also really shows the massive 'hole' in our forward line / goal kicking setup. There is one player [Jed Lamb] between 22 & 28 and he  is not even an established forward. He did play a bunch of games as a defensive HFF last season, but he has 36 goals from 48 games and is still a fringe player.

It's at this age that good forwards are really starting to hit their straps, and we are basically bereft in this department. We have attempted to fix the mid and back line age / experience issues, but we haven't done anything so far this off season with solving the forward line problems.

It's still a huge issue for us in 2018 that we only have 4 players established across the board in that 22 to 27 age bracket. The combination of these 2 issues is likely to see us lose a few more than we win in 2018.   

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Reply #14 –
Yes, I must add congratulations to Pezz.

This is the possible the best analysis post the site has had for years!
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