Carlton Supporters Club

Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

Cotchin, Rance and Riewoldt wouldnt be my idea of a great leadership group but thats a premiership leadership group.....Cotchin became a sniper and the other two are bozo's IMO.
Maybe great leadership in football is overrated.....or maybe as in Hawthorns case with Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Burgoyne etc its more valuable for a long cycle of success but not so important for a one off premiership. ie Richmond, Bulldogs...

I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dale-thomas-has-done-enough-to-play-on-says-marc-murphy-20170823-gy2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

The point is though, those sorts of qualities are not the sole preserve of highly paid, contentious, injury scarred recruits - you can get players with those sorts of qualities without going down the Daisy road.

Nobody can ever justify the recruitment of Daisy and the money he has been paid. It has been an atrocious recruitment from the club, one of the very worst ever. That isn't saying Daisy doesn't try, it isn't saying that he isn't a role model, it isn't addressing any of those things. It is a simple fact that if one of your top 2-3 paid players isn't in the 10 most effective  players at your club, you have made a horrible mistake. That top coin is meant to be for superstars, plain and simple. They should have the qualities Daisy is said to have AND be great footballers. Remember he was paid Dangerfield like cash.

If we wanted just good blokes we would have implored Armfield to keep going, by all reports he is a ripper of a bloke and bust his nut to help others.

Whilst it is great for someone to be a mentor or good bloke, it isn't enough for a highly paid player

With you MIO, quite frankly the only reason he remains on the list imo is because of the dollars wasted by the Club in recruiting him....

While Daisy is the topic of discussion, I thought I would throw this in here, a snippet from a training report (source BF) from earlier this week, while over in Tassie....

So to the highlights/lowlights
OK I'm just gonna get it out of the way....3 votes D Thomas...the only caveat being it is a big ground and no stands to get an elevated view so if I missed an on baller running rampant I humbly apologise but don't think I did.
- When the game started it was the Best 22 vs the rest and it was also clear that some players went back to just bombing the ball fwd to a pack rather than the drill they'd just done...I can see why Bolts picks Daisy, for all his limitations, he's smart - he moved into the space he was supposed to be in, he weighed his options, presented as a hit up HFF and did 2 kicks, whilst not blind they were long centred ones over the traffic from one HFF to the other (and there is no way he had time to see that option in congestion) to where the fwds and mids were were supposed to be streaming into...and guess what they were and got easy goals...does it translate to match day - I dunno but he's playing/training the way Bolton is drilling.

Harsh. I could name at least 10 that were 10 times worse IMO, but lets not go over all ground and railroad another thread. This is about leadership and from all reports within the club, Daisy provides it spades even if he isnt officially part of the leadership group. When Bolts came along, he talked about developing leadership density. I think this is progressing nicely and is reflected in A. the size of the group and the eventual passing of the baton to the younger blokes and B. SOS's recruitment of players with leadership qualities as well as football nous.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dale-thomas-has-done-enough-to-play-on-says-marc-murphy-20170823-gy2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.

The club bent over far too easily in their rush to get new messiahs. Daisy was coming off a 5 game season in 2013. He had surgery in November 2012, then again in May 2013, then returns to the VFL and injures the ankle again in Aug 2013. The club ignored the medical advice of it own doctor, who said no to Daisy.........

With the benefit of hindsight, it beggars belief the club spent more than 30 seconds even thinking about his recruitment.

And no, Daisy hasn't done anything wrong per se, but he is the main character in a lousy tale of woe, so he will be forever associated with the whole debacle.

I didn't dislike Daisy as a Pie, and I don't dislike him as a Blue, but his recruitment was still a lame ar$se decision.

Oh well - one can only hope the club has learned its lesson.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-19/doc-doubting-thomas

Again, your beef is with the club. Take it out on them.

Blame SOS for signing daisy up for another year if you want.

Again, all the criticisms of Daisy have come down to his pay packet. That is NOT his problem. It has become a huge problem for him for the extra pressure it has led him to receive.

The only mentions of Daisy on this thread that do NOT involve his pay packet are overwhelmingly positive...

Yeap, if Daisy had been on nothing over these years he would be talked about in a similar tone to Armfield, perhaps a little better.
But his salary was a HUGE problem for the club and when he signed on to it, he signed on as a marquee player.

Sure he can take his cash and pocket it and I don't begrudge him the 'right' to that.
But then supporters have a right to ask whether his impact is commensurate with his impact on our Salary Cap and our ability to spent that money on a an actual top player.

If Daisy had been on a standard salary the expectations would be different, there is no denying that, but he hasn't been.

You can turn as much of a blind eye and say it isn't his fault and all that and in fact that is fine...
BUT... AGAIN.... He has taken one of the top marquee spots at the club and he has not performed anywhere near a marquee player.

BTW I was quick to praise him myself when he asked the club to drop the clause and I had no issue when they resigned him on a salary that better reflected his worth to the team, but was his recruitment a success or a failure? It is absolutely 100% clear it was a failure, he hasn't done what he was paid to do.