Carlton Supporters Club

Any side that can't do the basics is always going to struggle.

List is in a massive rebuild stage it's a bottom 2 list with a lot of question marks.

It's has a lot of unproven young talent bar a couple.  The middle bracket (22-27 ish) is very thin for talent and we have a couple of ageing good players.

We need midfield talent and a lot of it.   We bat about 2-3 deep at the moment and only really have quality in Cripps.   Curnow is a warrior, Murphy is 30+ and that's about where it ends.  SPS and Fisher are the only two kids we can hang our hat on at this stage.   Dow also on talent.

We need 2-3 of O'Brien, Polson, Cunningham, Lang and Kennedy to become very good players to add to that depth.   Plus hit the draft.

You would love Cripps to push forward a bit more, but he really can't at the moment.

We have been hitting the draft, I appreciate what you are saying and there is evidence to support that but what you are suggesting in reality is another rebuild and this one looks like it may have failed.
I dont see how you can sell a bottom two finish to members/supporters after three seasons of drafting and cellar dwelling and expect continued support for the coach and footy dept...
This would also mean more major culling of the list and I think SOS will find it difficult to cull players he drafted and have to admit defeat with those selections..

I agree with Shakin but I'm not sure the relying on the draft will fix it, the draft wipe outs are what put us in this predicament.

Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney have relied more on trades and free agency for the last decade and they have consistently been up there. Port have gone down that path too and it might pay off for them.

Another rebuild?   It's only been since 2015.   Before that we were topping up with Boekhorst and the like.   That's 2 years (and a bit)

I am not selling a bottom 2 finish.   You don't need to sell anything when you have an honest look at our list.   It sells itself.

We won't have any issues finding players to delist and that doesn't include SOS's draft picks.

We need 1-2 gun mids which we can easily afford. Shiel, Kelly, Wines - we'll get at least one of them. I'd even take the Schloite guy who won the Sandover last year. Played with Kelly at South Freo and out performed him most weeks....

Must have plenty in the kitty already then Simo and Daisy goneski season end and Murphy not far behind....

Other than that, we'll presumably get Ben Silvagni, i don't think the forward line needs a more?

Sheil is signed to the end of 2019 and Wines is said to be close to re-signing with Port.....Kelly maybe a chance if GWS can win a flag and he can then look for a big deal....
I think we need a top end forward who can win games like Lynch, Patton or Cameron as well...

We have had three drafts since SOS arrived , most of the Hughes/Rogers players have been culled...its SOS killing his own bambi's next cull.
You said the list lacks top end talent ie we have Cripps, C.Curnow and then Murphy who many see as ok but not great these days......then you named Fisher, SPS and maybe Dow as potential good players with maybe a few to come from that list including OBrien, Kennedy etc.....thats probably around ten players with 30 odd in the firing line......
You want to go back to the draft and dont rate 3/4 of the list...thats a major rebuild...

Hard to attract readymade top end talent unless you have decent ladder position and the money......so that leaves us with more pain and misery for many years?

I reckon Boyd will be dirt cheap next time around, and assuming he gets his head right he'd be a massive improvement on what we've got.

You would think about it under 2 conditions.

- Cost nothing in draft picks.
- Cost nothing in wages

Neither will happen.