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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #75 –
Hard to argue BluePhantom.

We really are soft as piss and fail to execute basic skills for a so called elite level team.

And Weitering should be dropped. Fix whatever the problem is then he comes back in...

Polson, Dow, Lamb, Weiters - we basically started with 18.

There simply is no good reason - or logic - to play Dow in the 1s at this stage of his career.

Dare I say it, had Kerridge played in his stead (and even Graham in Polson's stead) we would have won 2 out of 3.

Picking Polson - who had NO FORM TO SPEAK OF ANYWAY - WAS EVEN MORE stupid. Is BB trying to be clever? He's a very poor man's Murphy and at his size you ned real tricks - I ain't seeing anything other than a silly mo...

Well, here's a tip. BIG FAIL. BIG, BIG FAIL.

Play the percentages Bolts, you're not good enough as a Coach (let alone with the troops you elect to field) to get away with cute stuff.

And as for Murphy. The sooner he steps down as Captain the better imo, he ain't a leader's rear end.....not his fault granted. Just another remarkable blunder by the CFC brains trust.

Incapable of mustering and motivating his team mates - big problem that.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #76 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Fly, You were the one poster that was the most optimistic after how we would go this year.

Yet you seemed to have thrown in the towel after 2 and 1/2 rounds? 

I liked your optimism and hope.....I'm hoping you of all posters wont give up on us just yet mate!

Losing I can stomach if the effort is there.

Conceding 10 unanswered goals - to an ordinary - team is a massive, massive disgrace.

The lack of leadership shown by Murphy - and he must shoulder most of the blame as an experienced 'leader' - is simply breathtakingly pathetic (and heart breaking).

Where's the vocal geeing up, the rant if needed during the game?

As the say, the rot starts at the top. How do you reckon the kids fire up when their skipper misses untold tackles or 'nail' a 20m soft, up and under kick that goes straight to an opponent....?

I  am sure Marc's a nice bloke, but a leader he is not....

And if Bolton hasn't seen that, he's a dud. (and pls don't reply with well the players voted for him....  ::) )
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #77 –
And if Bolton wasn't extremely, extremely disappointed (and right royally ropeable) with that effort last night - and admit it - which he hasn't, he should be questioned too.

It wasn't about the kids really - the whole side went missing for 40 odd minutes....entirely, totally unacceptable for a fully professional team to do that. Zero leadership.

Quite frankly, heads should roll.

The 'be patient' mantra is a smoke screen imo, get some strong leaders in and problem solved - piss weak efforts will not be tolerated.

Bit hard to criticise piss weak efforts as Coach, when your Captain is front and centre.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #78 –
But what's the alternative? We've had a policy of recruiting introverted nice guys for years, no matter who we make captain it will still be an introverted nice guy

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #79 –
I was so disappointed with the 1st half yesterday. I couldn't imagine us showing less spirit, less desire or less pressure.
After half time there was more to like, a lot more. But the turnovers are still killing us!

Some thoughts:
[1] Lamb vs Howe
Howe had 18 disposals while Lamb had only 9. That looks bad. However, Lamb had a job: he niggled Howe at every opportunity and took him out of the play. He has been one of the major drivers for Collingwood and he had no effect on the game at all.
That was the good.
The bad? Lamb struggled to get a kick himself and put on virtually no pressure.
Who wins this one?
I can't call Lamb a winner. He needs to do more than irritate defenders.

[2] David Cuningham in defence:
Looking at the stats, Cunners had 14 possessions. Not a great number, but I thought he was one of the more positive things for the night. His run from defence was good. In fact, I think it was one of his best games for us.

[3] Aaron Mullett:
Last week he did a reasonable job and got a fair bit of the ball. But he really didn't have much influence last night. 6 possessions wasn't much, especially as his disposal is his strength. At this point he is a major disappointment.
However, he did spend time on Varcoe, who was kept right out of the play.

[4] Jacob Weitering:
This was one of Jake's better games this year, but he really did have some issues dealing with Cox and Reid. I'd really like to see Weitering go back to the 2nds for a while if either Alex Silvagni or Sam Rowe are fit enough to do the job. Both Rowe and Silvagni have mature bodies and excellent techniques for playing big forwards. They also allow Jones to play on the leading forward, where his pace and desire come to the fore.

[5] Kreuzer vs Grundy:
How in God's name did Grundy fall to Collingwood's pick!?!? I really rated him and still do. He had a great battle with Kreuzer last night and ended up just barely ahead. Kreuzer getting on top of Grundy in the 3rd and 4th quarters was one of the reasons we got back into the game.

[6] Match ups in the middle:
We were pounded in the middle last night. Collingwood managed to curb Cripp's influence in the centre square and we didn't have the match-ups to keep Collingwood's mids out of the play. I would have played Kerridge: he can play a negative game and still get a lot of ball.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #80 –
Agreed, the longer it drags on - the deeper the cancer - but buy in a 'prick' eg Luke Hodge from another Club....shake up the place.

Teach the players that they must adhere to a minimum standard or they will be dropped - no hand holding of blokes likes Weiters.

If he has personal issues - well that's not good - but give him leave and help - to fix the problem. Don't let him face the media scrum who keep asking why and how has Carlton destroyed another top talent...

FFS, i think the MC and the like suffer from 'group think' - and let's be frank, most are ex footy players and not that bright....even Macca, a vet, is too 'Blue' - to see the wood from the trees imo.

To have picked Polson - at all - and even Dow simply reeks of dumb. Serious dumb, that a whole MC could agree to it.

The latter is not ready and would me much better served gettig leather poisoning in the 2s. Apart from a few moments v the Saints, the kid has been MIA (no blame on him).

Bad, no dumb, selections have cost us 2 games already this season - and that basicaly destroys the season.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #81 –
Quote from: shawny – on
x2.

Your Jones description is spot on - was at last nights game and he looked confused when deciding between sticking on his man or leaving to attack a ball he thinks he can kill. I like his desire and efforts but those decisions cost us more goals then it saved last night unfortunately.
 
Its bloody hard to watch as our back 6 was one strength from the Bolton era and in a flash it seems to have turned to a shambles by what the club says is us trying to be more offensive and we need to get the balance right. Seems like poor coaching if in an attempt to score more you then lose your one strength.

Or is it simply a case of losing Doc which has hurt us more then we imagined?

 

How about a defence of

DOCHERTY              ROWE                 MACREADIE

WILLIAMSON          A SILVAGNI         BYRNE

- all unavailable (including coming back in the 2s) last night.  One of the consequences is we end up with an unbalanced overly tall and slow backline.  Add Weitering struggling for form and Jones being caught in 2 minds constantly- for which I blame the coaches not him - and it adds up to a struggling defence.  Mullett so far has been ordinary (not worse than that in my view)but gives a much needed big body.  Similar to why it made sense to draft O'Shea and rookie Shaw - we need that experience base and funnily enough opposing teams don't give away too many top liners.

The bigger concern to me is the midfield (admittedly we do have a couple of injuries there and Kennedy and Kreuzer seemed restricted last night) and more so the forward line having zero and I mean zero ability to put pressure on the opponent.  We couldn't chase them hard enough to put them under even perceived pressure let alone catch someone and our tackling is putrid.  No wonder the defence gets carved up when the ball comes in that easy (on top of its own woes).

FFS find someone ready willing and able to chase and lay a tackle even if they don't give much offensively.  The problem is the cupboard seems pretty bare - Kerridge maybe, Nick Graham tries hard, but neither really AFL quality in my mind.  Might Shaw be worth a look?  I say reward whoever stands up for the 2s - we know we have got the dead wood to drop.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #82 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
Hey Blue Phantom, your expectation list outlines what is expected of a premiership team or contender. We ASPIRE to those but we are nowhere near those. Checkout the stability and experience within the Swans, Geelong and Hawthorn over recent years. Your checklist of expectations should be non negotiable at those places, given their stages. To EXPECT those things at our stage is pure fantasyland, Walt Disney stuff. To ASPIRE to and STRIVE towards, is our aim. Look at our player turnover, look at our youth. We are a work in progress, nothing more. Let’s reassess when Fisher, Curnow, Cripps, Dow, Mckay, Schumacher, Marchbank etc have between 80-120 games on the board.

And there you go, softly, softly approach.
It's okay we have young guys playing a man's sport? Aspire? Strive? WTF????????????
These guys get paid big BIG bucks. It is a profession, I am a member, so I EXPECT the Walt Disney stuff. It is a non negotiable when you play the game for any team.
You make all the stuff yourself. Demand it, live it, breathe it.
Standards are set from the top down. Murphy? see ya later as Capt. Still a valuable player for us but not as Capt.
Cripps has the aurora. Just do it Carlton.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #83 –
I wanted Jordan Lewis.... He wouldn't put up with the crap we served up in the last three rounds.

Time to make Cripps official captain...cite "personal reasons"    for Murphy to step down.

Cripps looked very frustrated last night,  at least he gives a $@*/.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #84 –
Ianh,

Kerridge's last 6 or so games in 2017 were very, very good. Better DE than Gibbs and Murphy.

His decison making was good - and markedly improved - and I think it's pure folly by the MC that he gets overlooked for both Dow and Polson.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-carlton-blues--sam-kerridge?year=2017

And he lays tackles that stick!

An extra five tackles and 5 marks a game....
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #85 –
As mentioned already:
[1] We obviously have some sort of plan with our line-up, but I can't agree with it, whatever it is. Guys like Polson and Dow need to be learning their craft in the VFL. They are not ready yet. Dow showed more than he has previously, but his fumbles and mis-kicks have been horrible. Similarly, Polson had a couple of good chances to do things and mucked them through lack of composure. They need to go back and get 30+ possessions in the VFL before they deserve a game again.
Weitering, similarly, needs to go back and get some form up. Jack Silvagni going back hasn't hurt him.

[2] Our total lack of forward pressure:
The way the defence of other teams just runs out and hits targets is incredibly irritating. Richmond has shown us the way: put pressure on the defenders so they can't get the ball out. It isn't rocket science, but we really don't do it.
(a) Matthew Wright had probably his worst game for us last night. he tries, but he doesn't catch many.
(b) Jed Lamb had an ordinary game last night. He provides plenty of niggle, but he gets only a couple of tackles per game. We cannot carry a guy who chases so poorly.
(c) Levi Casboult hasn't chased anybody down since Ratten was coach. Nor does he try that hard either: he just jogs. He man runs off easily.
(d) Jack Silvagni hasn't the pace or the reaction time to catch many. Guys run off him all of the time, as he gets outbodied as well.
(e) Charlie Curnow can run guys down, but he doesn't do it very often. He needs to work on that, as it is one of the few weaknesses in his game.
(f) Pickett and Garlett can and do run guys down, but Id like to see them do more of it, as they have the pace to really do it.

We HAVE to keep the ball in our forward line with pressure!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I wanted Jordan Lewis.... He wouldn't put up with the crap we served up in the last three rounds.

Time to make Cripps official captain...cite "personal reasons"    for Murphy to step down.

Cripps looked very frustrated last night,  at least he gives a $@*/.

Love Cripps but his lack of pace is a worry regarding him as captain.

A few occasions last night he gave up the chase once his opponent got a few yards break on him. Not a great look for others to follow.

One particular time early in the last quarter looked terrible.....just jogged after an opponent and conceded he wasnt going to catch him. I sit in the members area and i wasnt the only one who thought it looked poor from a potental captain. I know he is not quick but ive watched Kruezer continue to bust his gut chasing a midfileder despite not being able to gain any ground.

Doc is our captain for me - Simmo would have been my pick for this year once Doc went down in pre season.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #87 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
[2] David Cuningham in defence:
Looking at the stats, Cunners had 14 possessions. Not a great number, but I thought he was one of the more positive things for the night. His run from defence was good. In fact, I think it was one of his best games for us.

The thing I liked about him last night was that he seemed confident and attacked the ball with purpose (if that makes sense), unlike a few others. One of the few bright lights.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #88 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The thing I liked about him last night was that he seemed confident and attacked the ball with purpose (if that makes sense), unlike a few others. One of the few bright lights.

Moves laterally very well. And other like fisher, Dow and SPS also seem comfortable to navigate thru traffic with a cool head.

All the above mentioned look like having the qualities you want to see in a kid.

Big upside on players like Bell, Robinson, Smedts, etc who were the opposite.   

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #89 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I couldn't blame the back line at all for last night, Collingwood were sweeping the ball down the ground under no pressure.

That certainly made matters a lot worse, and I'm not blaming the backline players - we just do not look like we've mastered zone defence. Over to the coaching staff.
Reality always wins in the end.