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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #90
The thing I liked about him last night was that he seemed confident and attacked the ball with purpose (if that makes sense), unlike a few others. One of the few bright lights.

Made a similar comment in the in-game thread.

Never saw much in him last season. But this year he seems to be getting the pace of the game a bit better and finding confidence in a time where others cannot.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #91
Non-contributors - time for the VFL drop:
•   Polson – not ready for the big time yet
•   Lamb – not a good enough player to lose focus by pushing and shoving all match
•   Mullett – good impression of the invisible man

Disappointing so far:
•   Kennedy – looks slow of foot and hand – hopefully the ankle injury is a factor
•   Weitering – stuffed around by the match committee last year and this
•   Jones + Plowman – struggling to cope with unpressured movement into the forward line

Skilled players but can we carry this many in the team?
•   Fisher – best of this group so far this season
•    SPS – brilliant skills but doesn’t work hard enough without the ball
•   Garlett – looks the goods but needs to contribute more
•   Dow – will be good but can we carry this many?

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #92
That certainly made matters a lot worse, and I'm not blaming the backline players - we just do not look like we've mastered zone defence. Over to the coaching staff.

Players guarding grass not opposing player's is what I saw.....even solid footballers like Ed Curnow look rattled and frustrated, Sidebottom carved him up but Ed looked uncertain
who to defend and where to stand, we often had mismatched players in the zone...it was more like a game of musical chairs.... when the music stops grab a player...any player?

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #93
Players guarding grass not opposing player's is what I saw.....even solid footballers like Ed Curnow look rattled and frustrated, Sidebottom carved him up but Ed looked uncertain
who to defend and where to stand, we often had mismatched players in the zone...it was more like a game of musical chairs.... when the music stops grab a player...any player?

Yep and as I posted earlier EB, it let the Pies control match-ups by simply moving their players into the required patch of turf.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #94
Non-contributors - time for the VFL drop:
•   Polson – not ready for the big time yet
•   Lamb – not a good enough player to lose focus by pushing and shoving all match
•   Mullett – good impression of the invisible man

Disappointing so far:
•   Kennedy – looks slow of foot and hand – hopefully the ankle injury is a factor
•   Weitering – stuffed around by the match committee last year and this
•   Jones + Plowman – struggling to cope with unpressured movement into the forward line

Skilled players but can we carry this many in the team?
•   Fisher – best of this group so far this season
•    SPS – brilliant skills but doesn’t work hard enough without the ball
•   Garlett – looks the goods but needs to contribute more
•   Dow – will be good but can we carry this many?
If you add group A and C you get seven very small or light bodied players...
The small forward lines of modern footy have messed with our taller defense, we lack quality small defenders even with Docherty in.....

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #95
Game plan - if there was one

We were so generous to the mudpies last night (or was that just inept?).

Our players generally played in such a soft defensive zone that the nearly total absence of up-field pressure allowed the opposition to deliver such advantageous foot passes that the defenders were simply not competitive. This 'plan' relies entirely on waiting for the opposition to make a skill error - instead of trying to force such an error.

Going forward, kicking long to a tall target rarely works when the forwards are outnumbered and kicking forward above the head of a small target is even less useful.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #96
Love Cripps but his lack of pace is a worry regarding him as captain.

A few occasions last night he gave up the chase once his opponent got a few yards break on him. Not a great look for others to follow.

One particular time early in the last quarter looked terrible.....just jogged after an opponent and conceded he wasnt going to catch him.  This one looked particularly bad because the opposition fumbled the ball further up the field and Cripps' non chase meant that we were outnumbered when the ball was up for grabs.


Several of our faster players are similarly likely to give up on the chase when they don't think they will be able to catch their opponent - instead of trying to impose every possible bit of physical pressure on the man with the ball.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #97
Game plan - if there was one

We were so generous to the mudpies last night (or was that just inept?).

Our players generally played in such a soft defensive zone that the nearly total absence of up-field pressure allowed the opposition to deliver such advantageous foot passes that the defenders were simply not competitive. This 'plan' relies entirely on waiting for the opposition to make a skill error - instead of trying to force such an error.

Going forward, kicking long to a tall target rarely works when the forwards are outnumbered and kicking forward above the head of a small target is even less useful.

We struggle when the opposing teams play the one or two tall forwards and have 4-5 smaller forward types....Tigers, GC, Pies all had the same setup same game plan, same result, same lack of nous from Bolton trying to match players up.....Zone D wont work vs a forward line based around movement/running forwards.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #98
We struggle when the opposing teams play the one or two tall forwards and have 4-5 smaller forward types....Tigers, GC, Pies all had the same setup same game plan, same result, same lack of nous from Bolton trying to match players up.....Zone D wont work vs a forward line based around movement/running forwards.

It won't work often at all if there is no pressure applied to the kickers to force errors rather than just hoping for one.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #99
Exactly. At least we have a game plan, better than not having one! Zone defense, intercept mark and sweep the ball down the ground with speed to create scoring opportunities. Unfortunately that plan relies on manic pressure from small forwards and mids. Our small forwards having provided any pressure, opposition teams are just waltzing the ball out of defensive 50. And our mids are either too slow or not working hard enough, so the ball is moving very freely down the ground and our defenders are exposed

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #100
I thought Matthew Lloyd made a good observation on 3AW earlier on.....said that our midfield had a total disconnect with our forward line.

In other words, neither knows what the other is doing.

Awesome coaching......????????????
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #101
Game plan - if there was one

We were so generous to the mudpies last night (or was that just inept?).

Our players generally played in such a soft defensive zone that the nearly total absence of up-field pressure allowed the opposition to deliver such advantageous foot passes that the defenders were simply not competitive. This 'plan' relies entirely on waiting for the opposition to make a skill error - instead of trying to force such an error.

Going forward, kicking long to a tall target rarely works when the forwards are outnumbered and kicking forward above the head of a small target is even less useful.
kicking it to one of our fwds instead of one of their defenders would be a good start.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #102
Non-contributors - time for the VFL drop:
•   Polson – not ready for the big time yet
•   Lamb – not a good enough player to lose focus by pushing and shoving all match
•   Mullett – good impression of the invisible man
So was Wright.

Disappointing so far:
•   Kennedy – looks slow of foot and hand – hopefully the ankle injury is a factor
•   Weitering – stuffed around by the match committee last year and this Should have been dropped. We need to work hard on getting him back to playing with confidence.
•   Jones + Plowman – struggling to cope with unpressured movement into the forward line Indeed. No pressure from the forwards.

Skilled players but can we carry this many in the team?
•   Fisher – best of this group so far this season Agree
•    SPS – brilliant skills but doesn’t work hard enough without the ball Indeed. He tackled early last year: where did that go?
•   Garlett – looks the goods but needs to contribute more
•   Dow – will be good but can we carry this many? Not ready yet.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #103
Why would you play Marchbank on Varcoe....the latter passed the balll to Hoskin Elliott for the first two Colllingwood goals...who plays a Tall defender on a speedster?
I thought Simpson was on Varcoe at that time.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

 

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #104
A few points.

1. Polson can't be just dropped.   His effort was good his impact not.  He's on his last chance to show he can play at this level and I don't see the point in dropping him given the pressure acts and second efforts he brought to the game. 

2.  Weitering is not in great form but is working really hard and covering a lot of territory.   Confidence seems the issue and he got better last night.   Dropping him could make him go backwards and it's not like we have too many options (right now).

3.  Our "offensive" game plan isn't really giving us more scoring it's just hacking it into forward fifty.  I'd rather we revert to last year where players actually knew what they and the next bloke were doing.
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