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Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #90 –
Dow's kicking isnt great....cant hit targets, and lacks composure kicking for goal especially on the run......also needs to work on his defensive game and chase better, if you stuff up you still have to chase and get to the next contest.
Be good to pit him against LDU from Nth who also has been a slow starter after being a gun a TAC level....

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #91 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Dow's kicking isnt great....cant hit targets, and lacks composure kicking for goal especially on the run......also needs to work on his defensive game and chase better, if you stuff up you still have to chase and get to the next contest.
Be good to pit him against LDU from Nth who also has been a slow starter after being a gun a TAC level....

C'mon EB. Cut the kid a bit of slack. Only played 3 games.
The nerves will still be playing a major part with him.
A teenager playing AFL footy. Pretty big stuff.

He's showing a lot of talent I reckon. A few games in the twos won't hurt him either, which he is sure to get during the season.
I spent most of my money on Women and grog.
The rest I just wasted.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #92 –
As I'va said before, playing Polson and Dow rather than say Kerridge and Graham (physically mature men), starts us two men down effectively.

That is, no chance of beating anyone.....strange tactics by the MC, who said 2018 was about wins?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #93 –
No thanks, we need to look forward, not backwards
 

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #94 –
I think the club is committed to youth - I'd be surprised if we go back to the "older" players unless we need to cover for injuries.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #95 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
As I'va said before, playing Polson and Dow rather than say Kerridge and Graham (physically mature men), starts us two men down effectively.

That is, no chance of beating anyone.....strange tactics by the MC, who said 2018 was about wins?

Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.

Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.

A little more polish and he would have jagged a couple of goals too.

we need to see him operate over a number of games and see what he can and cannot do, and decide whether or not hes worth persisting with as time is running out for him before he graduates to list clogger.

Im not in favour of dropping him particularly whilst the other smalls are not in the team or similarly not performing all that well.  Basically, Lebois form against Collingwood was ominous and hes started to knock on the door for a potential senior birth if our small forwards don't get a wriggle on.

We need to see Polson for a couple more weeks and then figure out whether or not he's worth persisting with because when he exits this team, hes currently first delist off the rank IMHO.  The rest of the blokes on our list have shown they have the ability to compete at AFL level, and have specifics they need to work on.  Polson hasnt shown anything yet.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #96 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.

Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.

He's only at the start of his second year isn't he? ???
Same draft as SPS

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I think the club is committed to youth - I'd be surprised if we go back to the "older" players unless we need to cover for injuries.


Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose,  its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..

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Reply #98 –
Quote from: Lods – on
He's only at the start of his second year isn't he? ???
Same draft as SPS

Sorry, I meant to say if hes to get a third year on the list.

Thus far has shown donuts.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #99 –
Expecting a win, we can't possible go to 0-4.

Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #100 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose,  its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..

Yep. I think there may be a good case to bring in an old proven tough and canny warhorse or maybe two, if any are available, as the Lions have done with Hodge. I'll be very interested to see how that works out for them this year. As you say I don't think we have many, if any, of his calibre,
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

Reply #101 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose,  its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..

There's the problem....and it's the same problem we've had since 2003-4
Our youngsters don't have the advantage of developing in an environment where senior players provide an example, support and yes... even protection.

They're forced into this "getting games into kids" philosophy.
Fine, great.... if you're getting games alongside a Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis etc
Yep, we have a Cripps and even a Murphy but that's about where it ends for our young mids...and Cripps especially is always under extreme pressure as our main man, so it's hard to provide a lot of aid to the young guys.

So we have a choice...we steer away from the course we've chosen and add some experience or we stick with the youth approach.

If we're going to go down the "games into kids" path I suspect some of them are going to get broken.
The hope is enough make it through unscathed to provide the leadership and support for the next generation.

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.

Will O'Shea return to do that role, or will Rowe return and free Weitering up to do that role?

Quote from: Lods – on
There's the problem....and it's the same problem we've had since 2003-4

If you keep thinking about this you'll come to an ultimate conclusion about certain players, and what effect them being OK periodically has on our playing list! We have some long standing players who excel when some kid comes in an takes the focus allowing the experienced player to be the 2nd fiddle, and posters here give the experienced player votes for being good when he gets a chop out from a child!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #103 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Expecting a win, we can't possible go to 0-4.

Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.

Good thought. Hope you're right MBB.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #104 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.

Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.

A little more polish and he would have jagged a couple of goals too.

we need to see him operate over a number of games and see what he can and cannot do, and decide whether or not hes worth persisting with as time is running out for him before he graduates to list clogger.

Im not in favour of dropping him particularly whilst the other smalls are not in the team or similarly not performing all that well.  Basically, Lebois form against Collingwood was ominous and hes started to knock on the door for a potential senior birth if our small forwards don't get a wriggle on.

We need to see Polson for a couple more weeks and then figure out whether or not he's worth persisting with because when he exits this team, hes currently first delist off the rank IMHO.  The rest of the blokes on our list have shown they have the ability to compete at AFL level, and have specifics they need to work on.  Polson hasnt shown anything yet.

Yet was not doing much in the 2s in any event? Where's the consistency then with making Big H 'wait' till he's earnt it.

Blokes like Polson are a dime a dozen quite frankly.....blokes like Big H are not. If we're going to lose by playin under ripe kids, play harry FFS.

And finally are we trying to win games or not?

Surely, play Kerridge/Graham - you know what you'll get at minimum. Then if Polson's or Dow's (or O'Brien's) form warrants selection in the 1s they get promoted.
Not rocket science.
Finals, then 4 in a row!