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Who would you like to see as the next Captain of the Carlton football club?

Patrick Cripps
[ 39 ] (66.1%)
Sam Docherty
[ 18 ] (30.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (3.4%)

Total Members Voted: 57

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Re: Next Captain

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On the subject of a bull at the contest, just look how Rowe straightened up our defence with his vigour...

True, Jones looked 1000% better, Weitering would have benefited as well if he'd played.

Back on Cripps, a lot of comparisons to the likes of Brown, and I've made comparisons to Hodge as a physical leader. But both those players had serious and physically imposing counterparts besides them early in their careers, Cripps has nobody at the moment. Would Hodge have been the same without someone like Vandenberg's sacrificing his own game, and Johnathon Brown had blokes like Voss, Scott, Scott, Johnston, Leppitsch. Does Cripps have enough "backup" to be that type of player / leader?

In terms of aggression, after Cripps I reckon our next is Daisy probably followed by Plowman and Lamb! We just don't have many of that type!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Next Captain

Reply #17 –
Cripps has Marc Murphy.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #19 –
I've always been firmly in the Docherty camp, I think he'd be an excellent captain. But after the weekends performance of Cripps, and given Doc is out for the season, I reckon Crippa will get the nod. I think we need a Captain that doesn't get smashed by the media and supporters alike after every game, so I think Cripps is the man. But honestly, I don't think we can lose out with either. Whoever isn't the captain will no doubt be the Vice Captain for the next 7 years. We have some good leaders coming through which is excellent to see. Would have been interesting to see how it would have played out if Doc hadn't got injured though.

I reckon it's a 99.99% certainty that Murphy doesn't captain next year.

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: Navy Maven – on
I've always been firmly in the Docherty camp, I think he'd be an excellent captain. But after the weekends performance of Cripps, and given Doc is out for the season, I reckon Crippa will get the nod. I think we need a Captain that doesn't get smashed by the media and supporters alike after every game, so I think Cripps is the man. But honestly, I don't think we can lose out with either. Whoever isn't the captain will no doubt be the Vice Captain for the next 7 years. We have some good leaders coming through which is excellent to see. Would have been interesting to see how it would have played out if Doc hadn't got injured though.

I reckon it's a 99.99% certainty that Murphy doesn't captain next year.

Yes, the new era will really get under way next year. We are still in preparation mode atm.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It's interesting looking back on a previous thread on this topic.
Basically the names of potential candidates have stayed the same....except for one :(

http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=3243.0

By the time those kids are 24 or 25 Cripps and Docherty will be 29 and it's time to restart this debate.

It'll be kids like Weitering or Williamson who are then thrust into the leadership spotlight.

A lot of posters want Murphy replaced, but the fact he's stuck with the club through and through when others have bailed tells us something about him, and in my  opinion he deserves more respect than many offer him!

But having said that an interesting thing Lods. A suburban club I was connected to quite a few years back had a coach and MC that put a maximum limit on captaincy terms of 3 years, it worked really well for about a decade and got them a few flags towards the end of their decade long tenure. It looked like the rule had built a club with sustainable depth, a team all on the same level with leaders everywhere, four past and current captains playing together.

It all came unstuck when the son of the new president was made captain and the MC threw out the rule, just five years after that they languished on the bottom of the ladder with a few of their better players pirated away to become leaders at other clubs! :o

The successful decade clearly demonstrated a case where the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts! Not sure that can work at AFL, too many mangers, too many lobbyists, too much ego, too much money! You probably need a far greater socialist vibe than most AFL clubs contain!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #22 –
 No one was saying Cripps would be a great captain after the North game... :D just sayin'

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: LP – on
By the time those kids are 24 or 25 Cripps and Docherty will be 29 and it's time to restart this debate.

It'll be kids like Weitering or Williamson who are then thrust into the leadership spotlight.

A lot of posters want Murphy replaced, but the fact he's stuck with the club through and through when others have bailed tells us something about him, and in my  opinion he deserves more respect than many offer him!

But having said that an interesting thing Lods. A suburban club I was connected to quite a few years back had a coach and MC that put a maximum limit on captaincy terms of 3 years, it worked really well for about a decade and got them a few flags towards the end of their decade long tenure. It looked like the rule had built a club with sustainable depth, a team all on the same level with leaders everywhere, four past and current captains playing together.

It all came unstuck when the son of the new president was made captain and the MC threw out the rule, just five years after that they languished on the bottom of the ladder with a few of their better players pirated away to become leaders at other clubs! :o

The successful decade clearly demonstrated a case where the whole can be greater than the sum of the parts! Not sure that can work at AFL, too many mangers, too many lobbyists, too much ego, too much money! You probably need a far greater socialist vibe than most AFL clubs contain!

I don't think anyone disrespects Murph the player and Murph the loyal BlueBagger. His loyalty is brilliant and will serve him well in life. As a player, and considering his smaller stature, he's a bloody champ. And he's obviously respected by his peers as a player. But as a Captain? Sorry, but he just doesn't cut it. Gives it his best? Absolutely.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #24 –
Certainly no disrespect to Murphy....I think many folk are of the opinion that the time is ripe though for a changing of the guard.
Hopefully Murph plays on for a couple of years.

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Certainly no disrespect to Murphy....I think many folk are of the opinion that the time is ripe though for a changing of the guard.
Hopefully Murph plays on for a couple of years.

x2.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Certainly no disrespect to Murphy....I think many folk are of the opinion that the time is ripe though for a changing of the guard.
Hopefully Murph plays on for a couple of years.

Folk who observe Murph’s leadership from the wrong side of the fence Lods ????

It will be time to change the guard when Murph, the players and coaches decide that the time is right.  However, I suspect that it will be sooner rather than later given Murph’s comments at the beginning of the year.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #27 –
I get the idea that the contest is between Cripps (on field) and Docherty (Off field) and that both of them have the ascendency in both scenarios.

Now we might not all think much of Docherty as a captain, but he plays football in Simpson fashion, is very level headed and has had his fair share of off field trauma that will mean that he will be much more "stable" as a leader.

If Cripps is demanding the captaincy though, his leadership wont diminsh Docherty's and provided they complement each other it will be fine.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

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Reply #28 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Folk who observe Murph’s leadership from the wrong side of the fence Lods ????

It will be time to change the guard when Murph, the players and coaches decide that the time is right.  However, I suspect that it will be sooner rather than later given Murph’s comments at the beginning of the year.

I like the idea of a transition period...just as Judd did when he relinquished the captaincy and Murphy took over.
Murphy's presence in the side won't undermine either Cripps or Docherty....and freed of the responsibility we may get a couple of really good seasons out of Murph.
It just makes sense to me.

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Reply #29 –
A couple pros and cons if you will.

Docherty
Pros
 - Has the game in front of him
 - Has a level head
 - Young and consistent

Cons
 - Coming off an injury, may never be the same player again
 - Needs to focus on his body first and foremost, doing a knee is a 24 month recovery (12 months physical, 12 months mental)
 - Cannot grab the game by the scruff of the neck
 - Smaller in stature

Cripps
Pros
 - Can influence the game being in the thick of the contest
 - Can push forward if/when required to assert his dominance on the game
 - Young and consistent
 - Freakish size and knows how to use it
 - Emotional, can be uplifting

Cons
 - Emotional, can be distracting
 - Might miss out on the bigger picture being in the clinches

I think i've covered everything off there.

Based on that, i reckon i've convinced myself that Cripps should be it.

Really comes down to bad timing for Doc, and Cripps' ability to turn/influence a game.