Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #165 – May 14, 2018, 04:45:40 pm The 3 sports in which I take a keen interest, AFL, soccer and tennis, all have aspects which I consider to be blights on the game. There is no doubt in my mind that if these aspects were removed, the game would be better. I see this targeting issue as being much the same. Remove it, and the game becomes better. This game will always have a strong element of physicality - it's a contact sport, so even with current rules, which some consider to be a little tiggy touchwood, there is plenty of tough stuff and bravery to keep the punters happy. We must free ourselves of historical justifications and rationalizations. Just because something has existed for some time, it doesn't make it good in the current context, and it doesn't mean a change isn't a change for the better. There is nothing tough about targeting a player, and most especially since most of the players targeted are the soft targets. Nobody would dare do that to Hodge, Jono Brown etc. It's always the babies (Mills), the sooks (Goddard), the brittle ones (Sicily) etc. What I want to see in terms of controlling and limiting the influence of top players is what Ben Jacobs did to Dusty on the weekend. Now that's class and a genuine victory IMO Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #166 – May 14, 2018, 05:51:28 pm Quote from: BluePhantom – on May 14, 2018, 02:28:23 pmi seem to remember Greg Williams running around with a bulls eye target on the back of his jumper Yes, whilst Diesel is no angel, Sean Denham is a sh1thead. This is another example of the sort of crap I'm talking about. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #167 – May 14, 2018, 06:11:03 pm Quote from: Hubba – on May 14, 2018, 02:32:37 pmKrooz is not as Navy Blue as possible and if he didn't fail a fitness test at Collingwood he would be wearing Black and White.So he stayed but I agree that he is does give 100% heart and soul and effort for the jumper everytime he runs out and you can't ask for much more than that.I think he simply wanted a longer term contract with less restrictions. In essence we were treading a little more cautiously than the Pies. In the end, I suspect the contracts were similar, but with us the value equalled (or roughly equalled) the Pies offer only if Krooz played x number of games. At least that's how I read it. He failed a fitness test at both the Dogs and Pies, so maybe we were justified in our stance, and maybe Krooz saw that in the end. I'm not sure whether any of this makes him True Blue, 75% Blue, 20% Blue etc. In the wash up, it may not even matter. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-out-of-race-for-matthew-kreuzer-20150915-gjngh7.html Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #168 – May 14, 2018, 06:13:13 pm Has given 100% in every game I've seen him play (even when injured) and that's all that matters to me. When he's done and dusted I'll remember him fondly Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #169 – May 14, 2018, 06:16:25 pm Quote from: Lods – on May 14, 2018, 06:13:13 pmHas given 100% in every game I've seen him play (even when injured) and that's all that matters to me. When he's done and dusted I'll remember him fondly Agree. He's as Blue as it's possible to be in this era of money and commercialism imo. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #170 – May 14, 2018, 06:17:55 pm Quote from: Lods – on May 14, 2018, 06:13:13 pmHas given 100% in every game I've seen him play (even when injured) and that's all that matters to me. When he's done and dusted I'll remember him fondly Same here, and I suspect for all CFC supporters. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #171 – May 14, 2018, 09:26:29 pm Quote from: PaulP – on May 14, 2018, 04:45:40 pmThe 3 sports in which I take a keen interest, AFL, soccer and tennis, all have aspects which I consider to be blights on the game. There is no doubt in my mind that if these aspects were removed, the game would be better. I see this targeting issue as being much the same. Remove it, and the game becomes better. This game will always have a strong element of physicality - it's a contact sport, so even with current rules, which some consider to be a little tiggy touchwood, there is plenty of tough stuff and bravery to keep the punters happy. We must free ourselves of historical justifications and rationalizations. Just because something has existed for some time, it doesn't make it good in the current context, and it doesn't mean a change isn't a change for the better. There is nothing tough about targeting a player, and most especially since most of the players targeted are the soft targets. Nobody would dare do that to Hodge, Jono Brown etc. It's always the babies (Mills), the sooks (Goddard), the brittle ones (Sicily) etc. What I want to see in terms of controlling and limiting the influence of top players is what Ben Jacobs did to Dusty on the weekend. Now that's class and a genuine victory IMOYou didn't see north players roughing up dusty at every opportunity? Nick Riewoldt copped the same treatment back in the day.Let's face it, teams do it and they do it all the time but people don't notice. At the game jed going Goddard wasn't evident, and they whacked Devon Smith frequently too, and all the bombers players were getting stuck into some of our boys too.4 weeks ago it was weitering copped this treatment. It happens. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #172 – May 14, 2018, 09:33:23 pm I'm pleased that for once it wasnt one of our blokes getting ridden. We've been the roadkill for far too long. Not saying I like it, but in the AFL there are predators and prey. Time for us to do the hunting. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #173 – May 14, 2018, 09:36:22 pm Quote from: PaulP – on May 14, 2018, 04:45:40 pmThe 3 sports in which I take a keen interest, AFL, soccer and tennis, all have aspects which I consider to be blights on the game. There is no doubt in my mind that if these aspects were removed, the game would be better. I see this targeting issue as being much the same. Remove it, and the game becomes better. This game will always have a strong element of physicality - it's a contact sport, so even with current rules, which some consider to be a little tiggy touchwood, there is plenty of tough stuff and bravery to keep the punters happy. We must free ourselves of historical justifications and rationalizations. Just because something has existed for some time, it doesn't make it good in the current context, and it doesn't mean a change isn't a change for the better. There is nothing tough about targeting a player, and most especially since most of the players targeted are the soft targets. Nobody would dare do that to Hodge, Jono Brown etc. It's always the babies (Mills), the sooks (Goddard), the brittle ones (Sicily) etc. What I want to see in terms of controlling and limiting the influence of top players is what Ben Jacobs did to Dusty on the weekend. Now that's class and a genuine victory IMOClearly, you need to get out more....i'll leave it there. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #174 – May 14, 2018, 09:47:01 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on May 14, 2018, 09:26:29 pmYou didn't see north players roughing up dusty at every opportunity? Nick Riewoldt copped the same treatment back in the day.Let's face it, teams do it and they do it all the time but people don't notice. At the game jed going Goddard wasn't evident, and they whacked Devon Smith frequently too, and all the bombers players were getting stuck into some of our boys too.4 weeks ago it was weitering copped this treatment. It happens.I don't really care which team does it, it's cr@p and it needs to go. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #175 – May 14, 2018, 09:47:48 pm Quote from: flyboy77 – on May 14, 2018, 09:36:22 pmClearly, you need to get out more....i'll leave it there.I definitely need to get out more, but not for the reasons you imply. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #176 – May 14, 2018, 09:54:29 pm I vaguely recall Jono Brown claiming that in one game, he received some ridiculous number of punches to the back (180?). He complained to the umps that if they didn't act, he would take matters into his own hands. Like I said, garbage behaviour. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #177 – May 14, 2018, 10:30:13 pm Quote from: PaulP – on May 14, 2018, 09:54:29 pmI vaguely recall Jono Brown claiming that in one game, he received some ridiculous number of punches to the back (180?). He complained to the umps that if they didn't act, he would take matters into his own hands. Like I said, garbage behaviour.I think if the aggressor gets too carried away then the victim gets some leeway cut to sort matters out....I remember Steve Johnson sorted out Steven Baker with a Elbow to the face after Baker had whacked him all day including his injured hand. Baker ended up with a fracture eye socket from memory and was none to well......think Baker got plenty of weeks and Johnson a few but clearly the victim got the sympathy vote at the tribunal. I think its also up to the victims team mates to help him out and take care of dirty aggressors...Ryan Crowley was a victim of his own fame in this area, once the prince of tagging/annoying/manhandling all the star onballers he had a quick rise to fame but the footy fraternity led by players like Ablett, Boomer Harvey cried foul and Crowley ended up with no love from the umps at all and at times was treated unfairly. He was being hit by opposing teams on and off the ball and ended up felled behind play on a few occasions...Ross Lyon pleaded his case but to no avail and Crowleys career was over....Ben Jacobs, Jed Lamb will all go the same way either taken out by opposing teams or taken out by the AFL who want a clean game...I'd expect Lamb to receive some treatment this week and I dont expect the umpires to help him out much unless its blatant free to him..... Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #178 – May 14, 2018, 10:47:43 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 14, 2018, 10:30:13 pmI think if the aggressor gets too carried away then the victim gets some leeway cut to sort matters out....I remember Steve Johnson sorted out Steven Baker with a Elbow to the face after Baker had whacked him all day including his injured hand. Baker ended up with a fracture eye socket from memory and was none to well......think Baker got plenty of weeks and Johnson a few but clearly the victim got the sympathy vote at the tribunal. I think its also up to the victims team mates to help him out and take care of dirty aggressors...Ryan Crowley was a victim of his own fame in this area, once the prince of tagging/annoying/manhandling all the star onballers he had a quick rise to fame but the footy fraternity led by players like Ablett, Boomer Harvey cried foul and Crowley ended up with no love from the umps at all and at times was treated unfairly. He was being hit by opposing teams on and off the ball and ended up felled behind play on a few occasions...Ross Lyon pleaded his case but to no avail and Crowleys career was over....Ben Jacobs, Jed Lamb will all go the same way either taken out by opposing teams or taken out by the AFL who want a clean game...I'd expect Lamb to receive some treatment this week and I dont expect the umpires to help him out much unless its blatant free to him.....So Lamb will eventually be sacrificed? (Ahem - I'll let myself out).......... Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon Reply #179 – May 15, 2018, 06:39:13 am Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 14, 2018, 10:30:13 pmI think if the aggressor gets too carried away then the victim gets some leeway cut to sort matters out....I remember Steve Johnson sorted out Steven Baker with a Elbow to the face after Baker had whacked him all day including his injured hand. Baker ended up with a fracture eye socket from memory and was none to well......think Baker got plenty of weeks and Johnson a few but clearly the victim got the sympathy vote at the tribunal. I think its also up to the victims team mates to help him out and take care of dirty aggressors...Ryan Crowley was a victim of his own fame in this area, once the prince of tagging/annoying/manhandling all the star onballers he had a quick rise to fame but the footy fraternity led by players like Ablett, Boomer Harvey cried foul and Crowley ended up with no love from the umps at all and at times was treated unfairly. He was being hit by opposing teams on and off the ball and ended up felled behind play on a few occasions...Ross Lyon pleaded his case but to no avail and Crowleys career was over....Ben Jacobs, Jed Lamb will all go the same way either taken out by opposing teams or taken out by the AFL who want a clean game...I'd expect Lamb to receive some treatment this week and I dont expect the umpires to help him out much unless its blatant free to him.....EB, if I've read your post correctly, what you're saying is that there is no need for a formal, legislated intervention on this matter because the "market forces" end up sorting it out ? But if that's the case, and clearly the umps, AFL, players and some supporters think this sort of stuff is not on, then why not just knock it on the head to begin with ? If the powers that be thought it was acceptable, then the aggressors in such matters would not be left to fend for themselves on game day - no ? Quote Selected