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Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
You need to have at least one trick.

As a medium small forward you need to have great pressure if you are only going to touch the ball 9-10.   

I like the item of playing him as an inside mid. He needs to build a massive tank and get to more contest.

SoJ has plenty of tricks, for me it's about execution and experience, he's miles away from being a viable AFL inside midfield option!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #61 –
Quote from: LP – on
SoJ has plenty of tricks, for me it's about execution and experience, he's miles away from being a viable AFL inside midfield option!

As a forward what tricks are those?

He actually shows a bit as a inside mid.

"Jack Silvagni
Stats: 20 disposals, 8 clearances, 6 tackles, 3 goals
From the coach: Jack did a lot of work as an inside midfielder, and won a fair chunk of contested ball (14 contested possessions) in difficult conditions and against an experienced midfield. He also used the ball well and finished off effectively in front of goal to finish with three majors."

14 contested, 8 clearances.   Not a bad start.

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
As a forward what tricks are those?

SoJ, along with Kerr, is clearly one of the smartest natural forwards we have. SoJ just doesn't have the physical attributes to naturally take advantage of it at AFL level. He leads in very smart patterns, but doesn't have the acceleration or top speed to give himself a break on a defender. He endures and persists, his repeat efforts are as good as any, but then lets himself down with disposal. His forward work rate is probably only matched by Wright. He has good vision and awareness, but not necessarily the required agility or skills to avoid tacklers and hit targets.

A lot of this will correct itself with age and experience.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
As a forward what tricks are those?

He actually shows a bit as a inside mid.

"Jack Silvagni
Stats: 20 disposals, 8 clearances, 6 tackles, 3 goals
From the coach: Jack did a lot of work as an inside midfielder, and won a fair chunk of contested ball (14 contested possessions) in difficult conditions and against an experienced midfield. He also used the ball well and finished off effectively in front of goal to finish with three majors."

14 contested, 8 clearances.   Not a bad start.

He has good nous and good agility.   He's a worker too.  If he builds that tank he will become valuable.   His goal assist to McKay was exquisite.   Neat side step, sold some candy and then delivery to advantage of McKay is a real standout of our goals this season.

Jack's major help will be the various roles he can play and will be a Simon white type in future.   He won't be your star but I believe the term good ordinary will be best to describe him

You can't teach desire.  Cunningham has him covered for talent but Jsos has him covered as a career footballer at this stage.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
He has good nous and good agility.   He's a worker too.  If he builds that tank he will become valuable.   His goal assist to McKay was exquisite.   Neat side step, sold some candy and then delivery to advantage of McKay is a real standout of our goals this season.

Jack's major help will be the various roles he can play and will be a Simon white type in future.   He won't be your star but I believe the term good ordinary will be best to describe him

You can't teach desire.  Cunningham has him covered for talent but Jsos has him covered as a career footballer at this stage.

Don't agree with the part on bold.

The agility we discuss is not about lateral movements in open space, basically running in a straight line and timing a side step with a lot of space and time to prepare. The agility he needs as an inside mid is about getting to multiple contests, twisting and turning in a small space and a short period of time with little or no time to react. Laying tackle after tackle, blocking, smoothers inside are not SoJ strength, he is relatively poor compared to the likes of Cripps or Fisher. SoJ commits when he is coincident with the contest and the ball, but he is not good at getting to where the ball is. If Cripps of Fisher are on the wrong side of the contest they find a way to get to the ball, SoJ not so much! But give him time he'll come good because as you mention he has smarts!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #65 –
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You can't teach desire.  Cunningham has him covered for talent but Jsos has him covered as a career footballer at this stage.

Don't confuse 'talent' and speed.

That's the only area Cuners betters SOJ imo.

And as we've seen without many a fine athlete, it ain't enough at the elite level.

Desire and smarts a far more useful combination!

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
You need to have at least one trick.

As a medium small forward you need to have great pressure if you are only going to touch the ball 9-10 times.   

I like the item of playing him as an inside mid.   He needs to build a massive tank and get to more contest.  

I agree.  SOJ has the football nous to be an effective inside mid but he has a bit of work to do before he can replicate his VFL stats at AFL level.

We're not really missing him in the forward line and we desperately need more grunt in the midfield.  It's bad luck that his midfield potential wasn't seized on during the pre-season.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #68 –
Jack needs to improve his disposal by foot and get a left side too if he is going to play midfield....

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #69 –
A midfield group consisting of Cripps, Jack, Kennedy is a very slow group to be around the ball.

Cripps is a grader and a bull so he can get away with it, but we will be shown up if the other 2 only make it as B graders.

Jack and Kennedy must be turn onto elite ball user and and elite inside the contest otherwise it wont work.

Will get murdered on the outside when we don't have the ball so need to use it exceptionally well when we have it to outweigh the negative.

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #70 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jack needs to improve his disposal by foot and get a left side too if he is going to play midfield....

Agreed, it'll be too easy to negate him at AFL level.

They'll just tell some mid-sized super fit athlete type to stay on his left and push him right.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #71 –
Quote from: shawny – on
A midfield group consisting of Cripps, Jack, Kennedy is a very slow group to be around the ball.

Cripps is a grader and a bull so he can get away with it, but we will be shown up if the other 2 only make it as B graders.

Jack and Kennedy must be turn onto elite ball user and and elite inside the contest otherwise it wont work.

Will get murdered on the outside when we don't have the ball so need to use it exceptionally well when we have it to outweigh the negative.

That's true, however at this stage Jack and Kennedy are far from locks.   If one out of the two turned into a really good midfielder that would be a good result.
 

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #72 –
I'm more and more liking De Konning. Not many play key forward and ruck both well but he seems to be able to do that thus far. Paul Salmon, Corey McKernan and even David Hale types are such a bonus. Hope he turns out somewhere even remotely close to those players, especially the first two once he develops more physically. He might get tried late in the year for a bit of experience if he keeps going.

"Tom De Koning
Stats: 10 disposals, 4 marks, 2 goals
From the coach: Tom kicked 2.1 including a couple of strong marks in the air. As a young tall, he’s developing his leading patterns as a key forward really well, and his second efforts at ground level were really impressive. We liked his game on the weekend, particularly his first half."

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #73 –
"Jack Silvagni
Stats: 22 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 inside 50s, 4 clearances
From the coach: The plan was to play as both a midfielder and forward, but like Cam Polson he ended up playing more in the middle due to injuries. He was really good around stoppages and in contested ball, while he used drive in his legs to get out of stoppages and congested situations while using the ball really well in general play."

Re: Northern Blues vs Essendon

Reply #74 –
Quote from: laj – on
"Jack Silvagni
Stats: 22 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 inside 50s, 4 clearances
From the coach: The plan was to play as both a midfielder and forward, but like Cam Polson he ended up playing more in the middle due to injuries. He was really good around stoppages and in contested ball, while he used drive in his legs to get out of stoppages and congested situations while using the ball really well in general play."

Dad had that strength through the hips and legs ;)