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Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #240
Cupping is brilliant for freeing up stiffness.

Sort of the opposite to Viagra?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #241
Cupping is brilliant for freeing up stiffness.

i second and third that!

Unreal, even if it looks pretty ordinary for a good few days!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #242
I think that Samo and others got more out going head to head with Mitchell than they would have trying to tag him - and they will get even more out of it when they do their reviews.

Ed is an ideal tagger because he can win his own ball while blanketing an opponent.  A young bloke like Samo or O’Brien would have to focus 100% on trying to stop Mitchell and the last thing we need is another player getting next to no possessions.

Bolts is an easy target for the so-called experts, and particularly those with an anti-Carlton axe to grind.  If we hold our nerve, they will be eating their words.

Agree 10-15 more years and they will look like fools

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #243
Agree 10-15 more years and they will look like fools

 ;D

I may not be around to bask in the glory ...
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball


Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #245
;D

I may not be around to bask in the glory ...

I'll could be using the walking stick well and truly at least by then. Thinking EB will be too....lol.

Still, always hope. My old man is a Swans supporters, was born in 1929 and was only 4 when they won the flag in 1933. Thinking he'd never really see one they nailed the flag in 2005 at 76yo, then another at 83. You never know maybe even one more at 89, as he is now, or 90.

So there's hope!!!!

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #246
I don't have a problem with zones, I have a problem with Bolton's zone.

It doesn't work.

I'm not buying that our players are that bad. We have a bunch of talented kids who have absolutely no idea what they're doing out there.

We agree on this one!

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #247
New to this but just needed a forum to vent the frustration that most Blues fans are feeling at the moment. Yes, injuries have hurt, but the lack of depth and quality is there for all to see when some of the blokes getting games are just not AFL level. I was keen to see what Shaw offered but his two games have been dreadful....poor skills and decision making. Nick Graham will get 40+ possessions in the VFL and come back into the seniors and show why he's one of those in-between players. Turns it over far too often.

I know O'Brien is very young and in his first season but would love to know what the recruiters saw in him that warranted giving up a top 10 draft pick. Have watched a lot of games on TV this year and saw the Lions game live and he turns it over more than Andrew Carazzo! And I don't want to hear the term "elite runner"....no point in being an elite runner if you turn it over every time you get it. Elite running at Carlton is only good because you're chasing tail all day.

The concern is that of the young blokes drafted in the last 3 years, only Curnow looks like he's up to it at this stage. So many young blokes at other clubs have flourished in their first and second years but not at Carlton...and that's been a trait for a long time for some reason. Ross Lyon gets a lot of -ve criticism over this way for his coaching but he's playing a lot of young blokes and plenty of them look up to it already.....Brayshaw, Cerra, Banfield etc.

The club took the official position it didn't want a priority pick!!! WTF....we might not want it but we sure as hell need it. If it's there, take it...it could be pick 2, 3 or 4 depending on which way the AFL go and depending on a compensation pick Gold Coast will get for Lynch. But if we can get it then seriously look at trading pick 1 to Adelaide for a combination of later first round picks or be bold and demand a quality player. Please don't blow more picks on picking up fringe players from other clubs who don't do anything for our list...we've got enough of those already.

The club could easily clean out another 10 list cloggers at the end of this season.

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #248
New to this but just needed a forum to vent the frustration that most Blues fans are feeling at the moment. Yes, injuries have hurt, but the lack of depth and quality is there for all to see when some of the blokes getting games are just not AFL level. I was keen to see what Shaw offered but his two games have been dreadful....poor skills and decision making. Nick Graham will get 40+ possessions in the VFL and come back into the seniors and show why he's one of those in-between players. Turns it over far too often.

I know O'Brien is very young and in his first season but would love to know what the recruiters saw in him that warranted giving up a top 10 draft pick. Have watched a lot of games on TV this year and saw the Lions game live and he turns it over more than Andrew Carazzo! And I don't want to hear the term "elite runner"....no point in being an elite runner if you turn it over every time you get it. Elite running at Carlton is only good because you're chasing tail all day.

The concern is that of the young blokes drafted in the last 3 years, only Curnow looks like he's up to it at this stage. So many young blokes at other clubs have flourished in their first and second years but not at Carlton...and that's been a trait for a long time for some reason. Ross Lyon gets a lot of -ve criticism over this way for his coaching but he's playing a lot of young blokes and plenty of them look up to it already.....Brayshaw, Cerra, Banfield etc.

The club took the official position it didn't want a priority pick!!! WTF....we might not want it but we sure as hell need it. If it's there, take it...it could be pick 2, 3 or 4 depending on which way the AFL go and depending on a compensation pick Gold Coast will get for Lynch. But if we can get it then seriously look at trading pick 1 to Adelaide for a combination of later first round picks or be bold and demand a quality player. Please don't blow more picks on picking up fringe players from other clubs who don't do anything for our list...we've got enough of those already.

The club could easily clean out another 10 list cloggers at the end of this season.

If you keep posting common sense stuff like that you will quickly become unpopular ;)...just kidding, some good observations and agree especially on Obrien.....10 list cloggers....yep plus a couple more IMHO...Shaw is a banana and I am not shaw why SOS wanted him....

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #249
New to this but just needed a forum to vent the frustration that most Blues fans are feeling at the moment. Yes, injuries have hurt, but the lack of depth and quality is there for all to see when some of the blokes getting games are just not AFL level. I was keen to see what Shaw offered but his two games have been dreadful....poor skills and decision making. Nick Graham will get 40+ possessions in the VFL and come back into the seniors and show why he's one of those in-between players. Turns it over far too often.

I know O'Brien is very young and in his first season but would love to know what the recruiters saw in him that warranted giving up a top 10 draft pick. Have watched a lot of games on TV this year and saw the Lions game live and he turns it over more than Andrew Carazzo! And I don't want to hear the term "elite runner"....no point in being an elite runner if you turn it over every time you get it. Elite running at Carlton is only good because you're chasing tail all day.

The concern is that of the young blokes drafted in the last 3 years, only Curnow looks like he's up to it at this stage. So many young blokes at other clubs have flourished in their first and second years but not at Carlton...and that's been a trait for a long time for some reason. Ross Lyon gets a lot of -ve criticism over this way for his coaching but he's playing a lot of young blokes and plenty of them look up to it already.....Brayshaw, Cerra, Banfield etc.

The club took the official position it didn't want a priority pick!!! WTF....we might not want it but we sure as hell need it. If it's there, take it...it could be pick 2, 3 or 4 depending on which way the AFL go and depending on a compensation pick Gold Coast will get for Lynch. But if we can get it then seriously look at trading pick 1 to Adelaide for a combination of later first round picks or be bold and demand a quality player. Please don't blow more picks on picking up fringe players from other clubs who don't do anything for our list...we've got enough of those already.

The club could easily clean out another 10 list cloggers at the end of this season.

Welcome.

Bang. Ripper first contribution. No arguments here, either. Something is not right with our coaching re your observations of our newbies. Just looking at other clubs with newbies that seem to just fly past us.

And SOS hasn't impressed with some of the sludge or injury prone stuff he's brought in. I know he said we drafted for short term roles at the club... but a few games of VFL standard is not a good deal.

And our medical room needs some heat as well. How often have we had blokes come back too soon and break down in their first game back? Other clubs seem to have much better medical track records.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #250
@WASurfer

Welcome aboard! All very valid questions and observations.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #251
@WASurfer

Welcome to the site and a great first up contribution. You'll find that folks don't always agree with everything you may write but you will find appreciation if you express it in a similar fashion to your first up effort.
Keep posting.

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #252
New to this but just needed a forum to vent the frustration that most Blues fans are feeling at the moment. Yes, injuries have hurt, but the lack of depth and quality is there for all to see when some of the blokes getting games are just not AFL level. I was keen to see what Shaw offered but his two games have been dreadful....poor skills and decision making. Nick Graham will get 40+ possessions in the VFL and come back into the seniors and show why he's one of those in-between players. Turns it over far too often.

I know O'Brien is very young and in his first season but would love to know what the recruiters saw in him that warranted giving up a top 10 draft pick. Have watched a lot of games on TV this year and saw the Lions game live and he turns it over more than Andrew Carazzo! And I don't want to hear the term "elite runner"....no point in being an elite runner if you turn it over every time you get it. Elite running at Carlton is only good because you're chasing tail all day.

The concern is that of the young blokes drafted in the last 3 years, only Curnow looks like he's up to it at this stage. So many young blokes at other clubs have flourished in their first and second years but not at Carlton...and that's been a trait for a long time for some reason. Ross Lyon gets a lot of -ve criticism over this way for his coaching but he's playing a lot of young blokes and plenty of them look up to it already.....Brayshaw, Cerra, Banfield etc.

The club took the official position it didn't want a priority pick!!! WTF....we might not want it but we sure as hell need it. If it's there, take it...it could be pick 2, 3 or 4 depending on which way the AFL go and depending on a compensation pick Gold Coast will get for Lynch. But if we can get it then seriously look at trading pick 1 to Adelaide for a combination of later first round picks or be bold and demand a quality player. Please don't blow more picks on picking up fringe players from other clubs who don't do anything for our list...we've got enough of those already.

The club could easily clean out another 10 list cloggers at the end of this season.

I disagree with most of that ... but welcome anyway WASurfer  :)

Looking forward to more well thought out and well expressed posts!
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #253
@WAsurfer

I agree with everything you’ve said.  I have to bite my tongue whenever posters on here or anyone in the media says “the talent is there ...”.

Is it? I’ve heard it so much i’m starting to think there’s something wrong with my eyes or I know nothing about football despite having attended roughly 1,000 Carlton games over 50 years.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #254
@WAsurfer

I agree with everything you’ve said.  I have to bite my tongue whenever posters on here or anyone in the media says “the talent is there ...”.

Is it? I’ve heard it so much i’m starting to think there’s something wrong with my eyes or I know nothing about football despite having attended roughly 1,000 Carlton games over 50 years.

I can only go by my opinion, and once again I believe the talent is genuinely there, we are only seeing it for bits and pieces of the game.

At the end of this season, I am going to show a table of our players average time on ground percentage (some of which will be thrown out by mid game injury) but I think we are going to find that we have a large number of players spending a lot of time on the ground at advanced ages, and the younger players spending significantly less time on ground.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson