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I don't recall it that way, Whitfield was a gun from day one, the main question was how Tom Scully could possibly be on bigger money than Whitfield!

For a historical perspective, take a look at the Inside Football AFL Player Ratings archive.

Whitfield's first season;

btw., If we want Whitfield he is gettable, he wants home more than Gaff or Lynch.

After yesterday injury excuse don't count. That was the most embarrassing thing I've seen in 55 years of watching footy and i'd say our worst ever loss given the circumstances. Despite outnumbering them we had no idea. We'd have spares out wide but kick down the line to an outnumbered situation, how is one outnumbered when your have 1-2 spares I don't know. Then GWS go forward to loose men every where in their forward 50 and kick goals as they please. They had 45 uncontested marks in that last qtr and outscore us 7 goals to 1. How does that happen? This is a side, after 3 years with this bloke, that had no idea,what they were supposed to do, How poorly drilled can a side get? Game plan so confusing, so poor, that we don't even know what to do when we outnumber a side by 2 players. It's not as if GWS are anything like Hawthorn 2013-15, or Geelong 2007-11. They laughed at us. They rotated off the bench still with 16-17 players treating us like incompetent idiots. We still had a number of very good to even a few outstanding young players out there as well as enough senior experience to at the very least stop such embarrassment like yesterday's like qtr happening.That's a Monday morning coach sacking not an end of the year sacking as it is purely incompetent. either that or the players aren't playing for the coach. Going no-where right now. What has been happening for 3 years?

Its not just injuries, its men vs boys stuff.

The blokes that played yesterday have played how many games together all in the same 22?  5? 6?  Using Polson as a litmus test, 10? 

That GWS team that took the field yesterday had one debutant, playing in a team full of mature players, whom played in a preliminary final last year, and should push seroiusly for the flag, whilst we sit dead last, with a team full of kids, our front 6 barely had 300 games combined (150 of them contributed by one player in Matthew Wright with the next biggest games played by Charlie Curnow who had a quiet night by his standards) all with the result that we got pummelled because our midfield got absolutely torched.  we play a man down every week thanks to the kids not being experienced and hard enough to compete for 4 quarters.

They highlighted a play where game number 17 Paddy dow was standing shoulder to shoulder with Josh Kelly whos 5 years older than him, and was on track to break posession records yesterday and all he did was literally read the play better and out position him to run off and score.

These kids we play are going to be guns, but we are sacrificing today for tomorrow's benefit.

No spin please. It is AFL after all, not an under 16 competition. They beat us 7 goals to 1 with 16 on the ground in the last qtr. Men v boys doesn't cut it. We had enough senior experience out there still to prevent that bit at least. You accept that then you'd accept anything., It's been poor coaching, pure and simple. We have drafted very well and they will be guns but it's useless without a decent coach to get the best out of them as a unit. How can you not take advantage of that situation? Out structures that poor?

Its not just injuries, its men vs boys stuff.

The blokes that played yesterday have played how many games together all in the same 22?  5? 6?  Using Polson as a litmus test, 10? 

That GWS team that took the field yesterday had one debutant, playing in a team full of mature players, whom played in a preliminary final last year, and should push seroiusly for the flag, whilst we sit dead last, with a team full of kids, our front 6 barely had 300 games combined (150 of them contributed by one player in Matthew Wright with the next biggest games played by Charlie Curnow who had a quiet night by his standards) all with the result that we got pummelled because our midfield got absolutely torched.  we play a man down every week thanks to the kids not being experienced and hard enough to compete for 4 quarters.

They highlighted a play where game number 17 Paddy dow was standing shoulder to shoulder with Josh Kelly whos 5 years older than him, and was on track to break posession records yesterday and all he did was literally read the play better and out position him to run off and score.

These kids we play are going to be guns, but we are sacrificing today for tomorrow's benefit.

Yes the last quarter was a mess, the difference in class, experience and being 10 goals down has an effect. I hoped we would rally and run them down a bit, wrong....Next 3 games will be used to sort through the players re who gets the chop. With Kruze , maybe on his last legs & Levi showing little , De Koning showing form  in the NBs , Harry  more consistant in his games , it might change the thoughts re what we do with the number one pick. Keep it and go for the big guy. We talk about mids but our talls are a big problem. There is a lot to play for in the last 3 games from a player point of view.

That's one "effect" we can't excuse when the other side totally smashes us playing up to 2 short. You have to ask why it was such a smashing. No side should be that poorly drilled that they keep kicking down the line to outnumbered situations, even with 16 v 18, when there are obvious spares elsewhere. No side should be that poorly drilled that an outnumbered side can have loose men everywhere in their 50 and kick goals as they feel like. No side should be that poorly drilled that they allow an outnumbered side to take 45 uncontested marks and get 53 more disposals in that last qtr. you have to ask questions not make excuses for that. Can only come down to coaching. We're talking 7 goals to 1, not 3 goals to 2 and something more even at the very least around the ground.

Jury is out on our kids being guns...thats the aim but there is nothing concrete at the moment to indicate that apart from Cripps and then potential for Charlie C and maybe Dow to be guns, IMO we gave up in the last quarter and have in a few games where we have been belted........
We play a few men down every week because the mid level tier of players we have is not good enough and that wasnt addressed when we started the rebuild......Paul Roos may not be popular on this forum but he constructed the Melbourne rebuild properly...we have followed the Saints and the results are similar....
The rebuild needs a rebuild...dont need to replace every block this time but we need that mid tier block of players fixed otherwise some kids who might make it wont...the club need to be open, honest and tell the supporters they didnt get it right initially but are going to fix the problems now...