Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #135 – August 06, 2018, 06:54:32 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 06:30:56 pmBonar, in his first game, had no trouble impacting and running out the game, but our kids like O'Brien didn't. Either our kids are crap (a theory) or the season has caught up with them and they're stuffed.Bonar is a more physically developed player, he is a readymade.....OBrien, Polson etc are little auskickers in comparison...You look at Melbourne and Roos/Goodwin were clear that they wanted bigger mids like Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw etc....if you are rebuilding you need to start with more readymade kids, you look at Stkilda and its the same story as us ..too many small lighter players in the middle of the ground. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #136 – August 06, 2018, 07:02:09 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 06:11:17 pmAssuming Weitering doesn't come up. Play Kerr or De Konig from the square as a stay at home target to keep the defence honest and keep at least one defender deep. Play a small at his feet to keep the FB nervous about spoiling. Run Harry and Chuck higher up the ground, run their tall backs around and blow them up. Schumacher and MacCreadie wing/HB. Maybe even Pickett in that role. There's more run already. Bugger o'shea off (5 disposals, all clangers) and we might even get the odd ball from defence without it coming back faster than it came out. Give OBrien a week off. Looks buggered and hence ineffective. Tell Lang to get serious inside and replace Graham, who played the "is he even playing? " role on SundayThat's three replacements already. Somebody needs to clamp down on Neale and we can't let their half backs and running defenders have a party.. Polson, Garlett, Wright should aim for a minimum of 6 stuck tackles each Finally, Play with some bloody intent.I just hope we dont do something stupid like start Polson on Walters... Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #137 – August 06, 2018, 07:30:14 pm Quote from: Baggers – on August 06, 2018, 06:45:03 pmGood pick up. Those of us watching here on the teev yesterday thought the same thing... from the very get go, and we just shook our heads.Those 2 gimmie misses by Curnow and McKay in the first quarter set the scene. 15846 heads dropped in the stands (I’ll give GWS a couple of hundred supporters) and 22 on the field. A 5 to 1 first quarter should have been 5:3. Those misses were coach and crowd killers. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #138 – August 06, 2018, 07:33:31 pm Collier-Dawkins, Hately, Valente or Smith EB? Hately might be ready made and matching it in the SANFL but I wonder how much upside. You thought his kicking was iffy as well. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #139 – August 06, 2018, 07:56:02 pm Quote from: townsendcalling – on August 06, 2018, 07:30:14 pmThose 2 gimmie misses by Curnow and McKay in the first quarter set the scene. 15846 heads dropped in the stands (I’ll give GWS a couple of hundred supporters) and 22 on the field. A 5 to 1 first quarter should have been 5:3. Those misses were coach and crowd killers.Spot on TC. I summarised it like this, they kicked them from everywhere, we missed from almost directly in front. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #140 – August 06, 2018, 07:59:25 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on August 06, 2018, 07:56:02 pmSpot on TC. I summarised it like this, they kicked them from everywhere, we missed from almost directly in front.Coach's fault. He should issue a mea culpa asap. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #141 – August 06, 2018, 08:17:24 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 06:30:56 pmBonar, in his first game, had no trouble impacting and running out the game, but our kids like O'Brien didn't. Either our kids are crap (a theory) or the season has caught up with them and they're stuffed.Bonar looks like he's ready to go. However, he really was the only GWS debutante and was surrounded by a lot more talent and experience than our newbies.For them record, Bonar spent 79% of the game on the ground and that was probably more than was planned for. Of our newbies, Charlie played 89%, Harry 85% (admirable given that he played key forward and back up ruck), Polson 82%, Samo 78%, Dow 77%, Pickett 72% and O'Brien 68%. Byrne, with limited match fitness, played 79%. I suspect that they are all spending a lot more time on the ground than they should be. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #142 – August 06, 2018, 08:20:56 pm Concerned about LOB given his elite running background. Only 68 percent game time and looking to have heavy legs from the start. Recovery from the Suns game? Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #143 – August 06, 2018, 08:25:29 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 08:20:56 pmConcerned about LOB given his elite running background. Only 68 percent game time and looking to have heavy legs from the start. Recovery from the Suns game?I suspect that he would have been out "managed" if we had anyone else. I guess it's character building if you follow the "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" line. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #144 – August 06, 2018, 08:54:32 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 08:20:56 pmConcerned about LOB given his elite running background. Only 68 percent game time and looking to have heavy legs from the start. Recovery from the Suns game?It's been a long year for him and Dow on the back of a very limited pre-season.Probably starting to feel the effects. Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #145 – August 06, 2018, 08:58:01 pm Quote from: DJC – on August 06, 2018, 08:25:29 pmI suspect that he would have been out "managed" if we had anyone else. I guess it's character building if you follow the "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" line.Didn't Custer say that to his men at Little Big Horn? Or maybe it was "they'll never hit us at this ran..........". Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #146 – August 06, 2018, 09:13:07 pm Quote from: Professer E – on August 06, 2018, 07:33:31 pmCollier-Dawkins, Hately, Valente or Smith EB? Hately might be ready made and matching it in the SANFL but I wonder how much upside. You thought his kicking was iffy as well.Prof..I like Collier-Dawkins and Smith......Hately gets a lot of ball but his kicking isnt great IMO.........Valente is very neat but doesnt have any real weapons.Collier-Dawkins is the one I would pick but Smith probably is a more standout player because of his pace and goal kicking ability.....CD is 193cm and charges through packs, kicking is good and he can stand up in tackles and still deliver the footy, can also play forward....not slow for a player his size either...SOS would probably take Smith IMO... Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #147 – August 06, 2018, 09:15:03 pm Quote from: cookie2 – on August 06, 2018, 08:58:01 pmDidn't Custer say that to his men at Little Big Horn? Or maybe it was "they'll never hit us at this ran..........". I should know that Cookie, having spent some time with Lakota people at Wounded Knee and the Black Hills (although they weren't too fussed about what Custer may or may not have said!). I suspect that it was more along the lines of "Where the f**k did these c***ts come from?" or perhaps, "I should have paid more attention to basic cavalry tactics."Kelly Clarkson (related to the Angry Ant?) sang about it but, apparently, Friedrich Nietzsche is to blame and his words are translated as “That which does not kill us, makes us stronger." Quote Selected
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #148 – August 06, 2018, 09:18:14 pm Nietzsche..the fascists favourite. Actually some of his quotes are pretty relevant to our situationTo live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering. Quote Selected Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 09:20:23 pm by Lods
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS Reply #149 – August 06, 2018, 09:41:01 pm Quote from: Lods – on August 06, 2018, 09:18:14 pmNietzsche..the fascists favourite. Actually some of his quotes are pretty relevant to our situationTo live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.This is where we need a "like" tab Quote Selected