Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March) Pre-Game

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Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #165 – March 19, 2019, 03:57:20 pm

Are the teams announced tonight???

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #166 – March 19, 2019, 04:15:40 pm

Agree with the logic LP but anyone averaging 3 goals a game is going to kick 60-70 goals in the season.....that would've got you close to winning the Coleman Medal last year and I doubt anyone expects Fasolo to kick that many goals for us. When did we last have anyone kick more than 50....I doubt anyone has since Fev departed. The scoring may well be higher this year with the new rules but have to wait and see how it pans out.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #167 – March 19, 2019, 04:28:48 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on March 19, 2019, 02:47:59 pm

Carazzo wasnt a hacker at all even in the early stages......comparing the two in their second year.... Carazzo(20 games) averaged twice as many possies, 16 to 8(rounded up).....Polsen(12 games) is a ball butcher with a quarter of his possies in his second year as clangars...Carazzo averaged around 1.3 clangars per game....
Carrazzo in his 3rd year was good for 20 possies a game and in his 4th year went at 25......hardly D grade hacker material.

Polsen isnt even close to Carazzo.......Carazzo could tag effectively and find the ball........Polsen can tag, but cant find the footy and butchers it better than most........

The kid tackles ok and gives effort but has a substandard skillset and isnt a natural ballwinner.........

Carrazzo started in 2002 and couldn't get a regular game until his fourth year in the system at the age of 21. Polson is about to start his third year in the system and has just turned 21. At the same age, Carrazzo had played two games (3 seasons) to Polson's 12 (2 seasons).

Carrazzo developed into a very good player, but he was a D grade hacker at the start of his career.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #168 – March 19, 2019, 04:35:01 pm

Quote from: WASurfer – on March 19, 2019, 04:15:40 pm

Agree with the logic LP but anyone averaging 3 goals a game is going to kick 60-70 goals in the season.....that would've got you close to winning the Coleman Medal last year and I doubt anyone expects Fasolo to kick that many goals for us. When did we last have anyone kick more than 50....I doubt anyone has since Fev departed. The scoring may well be higher this year with the new rules but have to wait and see how it pans out.

Yes, true for last year as you mention, and as I mentioned we are a special case no doubt.

I suspect the new rules will see several players getting up towards 100 goals again, with small forwards who got 30 goals last year perhaps needing 40 to 50 this year. If you were a 1 goal a game type you need to be targeting 2, if you were 2 you need to be targeting 3. Guys who got up near 3 a game are probably looking at a ton! I don't think this is unreasonable, what I can't get my head around yet is the split between small forwards and KPPs, no club has shown it's hand so the JLT is next to worthless.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #169 – March 19, 2019, 04:54:04 pm

Except Fremantle LP.....no Hogan, Cox or Taberner!!! Leaving only Lobb and McCarthy and McCarthy couldn't get a kick in a stampede at the moment.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #170 – March 19, 2019, 05:19:46 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on March 19, 2019, 09:26:00 am

Nope, not so.

Carrots was always a ball magnet...even if his ball use was so so early on.

Polson barely touches the ball during a game....and doesn't even get big numbers in the 2s.

Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.

The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.

Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.

Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #171 – March 19, 2019, 06:03:42 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 19, 2019, 05:19:46 pm

Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.

The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.

Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.

Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.

Agree. He's doing what the coach wants him to do.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #172 – March 19, 2019, 06:52:18 pm

Quote from: cookie2 – on March 19, 2019, 06:03:42 pm

Agree. He's doing what the coach wants him to do.

That can't be right Cookie ... that's what the coach said

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #173 – March 19, 2019, 07:56:59 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 19, 2019, 05:19:46 pm

Carrazzo was largely a BP player early in his career. Obviously turned into a mid later on.
Polson is basically a defensive forward now. His job is to stop his opponent getting the ball and pressure opponents. His job is not to get the ball and win us a game. Maybe it will be later on, but not now. He is doing his role.

The moment he stops running, chasing and tackling is the moment he'll get dropped. Even if he gets 20 touches a week, he'll get dropped if he fails to provide the pressure he does now.

Its like expecting Fevola to chase. He might do it occasionally, but he wasn't in the side to chase. He was in the side to kick goals....and despite all his on-field flaws, he kept getting picked in the side because he kept scoring goals.

Do what is asked of you and you get picked. EOS.

Rubbish. He was a mid from go to whoa....All Australian u/18, runner up in the Morrish....

As for the rest of your blurb, your analysis is fundamentally flawed as it discounts entirely the opportunity costs of picking a Polson type over a (say) Fasolo type.

And you'll never know if Fasolo had played whether his 2-3 goals might have won you the game....

Pick Polson, he'll lay a few tackles but also often butcher the ball.... there's another cost.

All that said, given Fasolo's misdemeanour, I am not overly fussed if he plays twos and earns his stripes....

Polson simply looks like he's way off the pace of the game more often than not. That spells liability....

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #174 – March 19, 2019, 08:05:46 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on March 18, 2019, 11:15:20 pm

Flashes of brilliance?

What are you smoking Jeza?

Against the bombers he got on the end of a chain and on his left under pressure hit McKay leading out on his chest. That doesn't happen all that often by one of our guys even on their preferred foot.

Against the pies he ran past 2 opponents, toed the ball in front of himself, picked up with one hand running full pelt and then kicked down to Curnow who for some reason was leading back to goal with Polson under the pump and having to get rid of it immediately - somehow expecting him to hit a perfect 55m drop punt. Luckily Moore dropped it and Curnow got the cheapest goal of his career.

With young players often you just get glimpses initially.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #175 – March 19, 2019, 08:08:52 pm

Not sure we can afford the luxury of a bloke who can only deliver defensive stuff in our forward line (Polson). He poses little concern to the opposition, whereas a Fasolo, does. Opposition coaches and players know Fasolo can and does kick goals so he requires attention and minding.

However, never underestimate the power of being the 'teacher's pet'. Polson is the blue-eyed boy whereas Fas is the naughty boy who fckdup recently.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #176 – March 19, 2019, 08:35:56 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on March 19, 2019, 07:56:59 pm

Rubbish. He was a mid from go to whoa....All Australian u/18, runner up in the Morrish....

As for the rest of your blurb, your analysis is fundamentally flawed as it discounts entirely the opportunity costs of picking a Polson type over a (say) Fasolo type.

And you'll never know if Fasolo had played whether his 2-3 goals might have won you the game....

Pick Polson, he'll lay a few tackles but also often butcher the ball.... there's another cost.

All that said, given Fasolo's misdemeanour, I am not overly fussed if he plays twos and earns his stripes....

Polson simply looks like he's way off the pace of the game more often than not. That spells liability....

Carrazzo first game. Picked on HBF
Carrazzo second game. Picked in the BP.
Carrazzo 3rd game. BP
4th game...BP

Do i need to continue?

Lets.
Where was Carrazzo picked?
First game HBF
Next 13 games BP
Next 4 games C / R
Next 1 game HBF
Next 1 game BP
Next 2 games bench

I couldn't be bothered continuing from here. I think you get the point. Well, you should've got it the first time, but i digress.

Thats his first 22 games. Polson has played just 13 so far....at a younger age by comparison.

As for the rest of your critique on my analysis, i've already gone into detail of the pros of playing Polson vs Fasolo previously. No need to go through it again.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #177 – March 19, 2019, 08:43:13 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on March 19, 2019, 08:08:52 pm

Not sure we can afford the luxury of a bloke who can only deliver defensive stuff in our forward line (Polson). He poses little concern to the opposition, whereas a Fasolo, does. Opposition coaches and players know Fasolo can and does kick goals so he requires attention and minding.

However, never underestimate the power of being the 'teacher's pet'. Polson is the blue-eyed boy whereas Fas is the naughty boy who fckdup recently.

Before i comment about polson, again, let me point out that this time last year i was saying he was #1 in line for delisting at the end of the year. As it turns out, he lifted and showed me something i didn;t think he had in him. Not much, but glimpses. Come end of year and 12(?) others are shown the door in one way or another before him.

Back to Polson...you say we can't afford the luxury of a defensive forward line player like Polson. I say we can't afford to carry 2 specialist FP players who offer little else for the team, including defensive pressure.
Having Gibbons and Fasolo in the same forward line with the 3 key forwards will offer very little resistance to the defenders should they decide to run the ball out of defence. Further to that, we have blokes like Murphy and Garlett who are not known for their tackling or close checking either. Hell, throw in Cripps who has trouble catching up with his shadow and you see why we can't carry too many blokes who leave their opponent to run free. Hence the need for a player who will chase down his own opponent, but also chase after someone elses who has been 'let go'.

Forwards don't win you games.
Defenders don't win you games.
Midfielders don't win you games.
Pressure wins you games.

If you harrass the opposition for 100% of the time they have the ball, you win the game.

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #178 – March 19, 2019, 09:05:07 pm

Quote from: shawny – on March 19, 2019, 02:08:37 pm

Well if Bolton doubts him then he should not have recruited him?

Considering the Tigers are below full strength we must go all out for the win and Fasolo just must come in for Polson.

Fasolo is an experienced forward who is a proven goalkicker - exactly the type of player we are crying out for considering the 3 young bid forwards we have....Polson on the other hand is if you want to be a kind 'a defensive forward' who has no clue at all what to do when 3-6 times a match he has the ball in his hands. Yep its harsh but anyone that denies it is not watching his games unbiased.

Put simply, If Polson is named in teams announced tomorrow it tells me the club is not serious about winning this week.

If kicking goals was the only requirement to win games of football why do we pick defenders, rucks and midfielders ?

Re: Round 1 - Blues v Tigers (21 March)

Reply #179 – March 19, 2019, 09:34:25 pm

I think under the new rules cleanly winning the midfield and then kicking straight basically wins the game.

So I'd load up on blokes who can do a midfield rotation then push forward, ahead of too many set forwards or set defenders. I'll be surprised if all three of Charlie, McKay and McGovern play forward, but I can see Charlie in the midfield rotations pushing forward.