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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #90 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
They had 2,we had 1.....

OK, so worked 'against' Port *insert sarcasm here*.

Sydney are not port though.

They have Callum Sinclair as their only ruck. Phillips can take him.

Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #91 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
OK, so worked 'against' Port *insert sarcasm here*.

Sydney are not port though.

They have Callum Sinclair as their only ruck. Phillips can take him.

Wasnt Sinclair BOG last time?......vs Kreuzer?

Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #92 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
OK, so worked 'against' Port *insert sarcasm here*.

Sydney are not port though.

They have Callum Sinclair as their only ruck. Phillips can take him.

Are you smoking something tonight Kruddler - how hard is it to understand?  ::) ::)
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #95 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-may-call-on-forgotten-forward-20190403-p51ag5.html
Well I guess to be fair, if one KPF goes out, another KPF should come in.
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #96 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
x100.

I'd give Lobbe a crack or even play two rucks....even if they only play 1. Worked for Port after all?

Lobbe in good form seemingly.

Port's rucks were dominate around the ground. Our's, outside of Kreuzer and eventually De Koning, are not good around the ground. That's 2 of your 22 not touching it much for the sake of a few tapouts. If I did go two rucks it'd be with De Koning but he's injured.

Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #97 –
First possession is worth more than possessions around the ground.   Control the centre clearances,  like Port did on the weekend, and you're well on the way to winning.   Centre clearances correlate with inside F50 entries.
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #98 –
Quote from: laj – on
Port's rucks were dominate around the ground. Our's, outside of Kreuzer and eventually De Koning, are not good around the ground. That's 2 of your 22 not touching it much for the sake of a few tapouts. If I did go two rucks it'd be with De Koning but he's injured.

Lobbe or Phillips are no less mobile than Lycett - perhaps they're following some weird coaching instruction (or simply don't get to the right places in time) - has been a bug bear of mine forever and a day (Kreuzer aside) - the lack of influence our rucks have in around the ground play but I tend to agree with the Prof - control the centre square you're very likely to win the game....
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #100 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
First possession is worth more than possessions around the ground.   Control the centre clearances,  like Port did on the weekend, and you're well on the way to winning.   Centre clearances correlate with inside F50 entries.

Not sure that is correct, while it helps in scoring one of the big things for good rucks is to get defensive side and cut off some space by taking marks. If they don't do that the opposition have too man easy avenues to goal.

Also around the ground includes stoppages in our D50, I think Port scored a couple of their goals from stoppages inside 50 as a result of Ryder being dominant.

Fans on this forum complained for years about us running with two rucks, yet we hear crickets when two rucks do a job on us like Port's did at the weekend, and for the second week running opposition rucks have been in the BoG!
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #101 –
Quote from: LP – on
Not sure that is correct, while it helps in scoring one of the big things for good rucks is to get defensive side and cut off some space by taking marks. If they don't do that the opposition have too man easy avenues to goal.

Also around the ground includes stoppages in our D50, I think Port scored a couple of their goals from stoppages inside 50 as a result of Ryder being dominant.

Fans on this forum complained for years about us running with two rucks, yet we hear crickets when two rucks do a job on us like Port's did at the weekend, and for the second week running opposition rucks have been in the BoG!

Phillips isn't Kreuzer to start with.

Both opposition rucks dominated around the ground. Tell me, what are ours going to do there. They won't be touching it much. Means two blokes on the ground barely getting a kick. That's why 2 rucks fails us every time. Think about it. If we pick 2 rucks it's something like Kreuzer and De Koning.

How would we pick 2 rucks in rounds 1 and 2 anyway when we already have Charlie, Harry and McGovern in the side. Who goes out?...lol.

Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #102 –
Part of the art of ruck work is around the ground positioning- the classic sitting "one kick behind the play" at CHB.  Similarly, knowing when and where to push forward as a marking option without destroying the structure and clogging it up.
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Re: Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #103 –
Quote from: laj – on
Phillips isn't Kreuzer to start with.

Both opposition rucks dominated around the ground. Tell me, what are ours going to do there. They won't be touching it much. Means two blokes on the ground barely getting a kick. That's why 2 rucks fails us every time. Think about it. If we pick 2 rucks it's something like Kreuzer and De Koning.

How would we pick 2 rucks in rounds 1 and 2 anyway when we already have Charlie, Harry and McGovern in the side. Who goes out?...lol.

That is a defeatist attitude, you can't just bend over and let the opposition have their way with you!

Besides, it's contradictory to state their two rucks dominate us while ours fail, the problem isn't having two rucks, it's having guys like Levi or McKay as the supporting ruck. We need SpecialK in the top job and some genuine 2nd ruck like Lobbe or Phillips as the support.

As for having McKay, McGovern and Charlie in the team, ultimately until McKay is a useful 2nd ruck I doubt it can work. The only alternative is to have Charlie move into the midfield rotations, and I'm not sure that helps us either. I can see 3 into 2 doesn't go, and we will eventually drive one of them out of that role. It was pretty clear when Charlie got injured things seemed to improve in our F50, not because Charlie is having an ordinary start to the season, but because it's much easier for the F50 and Midfield to get themselves organised around two KPF options.

Ultimately we may be able to run with all three assuming McKay becomes a useful ruck rotation, which he really isn't at the moment. Even so, I'm sure there are fans not so happy, maybe never happy, to see McKay in the ruck purely for PCL injury reasons.

Anyway, Harry is far too good of a contested mark to waste him around the ground.

As for managing two rucks with two or more KPFs, plenty of sides are doing it via the limited rotations already.  We just need to get our head around the process, which I concede may be harder with our kids/midfields apparent lack of aerobic capacity. But as it stands, the center break has become so important to winning it is now inevitable.

No club can ignore the effect of the new rules, even if total scores have not changed, scores from center breaks are up by about 500%. I think one of the Pudding Face Twins stated this week that last season direct scoring from center breaks averaged about 8 pts per game, so far this season and through the JLT it's 43 pts per game.
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