Carlton Supporters Club

Quick question....Did the club put a time frame on it.

Somewhere along the way I remember there was talk about it being a 66 game rebuild.
From memory it was a comment attributed to Stephen Silvagni but.....
I don't think that was ever a timeline.
Can anyone produce a 'direct quote' from any club source saying 3 yrs/66 games.

So given that he now has the list to develop we should (barring significant injury) expect to see improvement in both players and team as this season progresses.

If we lose to the Suns and sit on the bottom of the ladder as the only side with no wins, it will put great pressure on the entire coaching group and playing group to develop talent quickly. We can’t end this season with as few wins for the year as we did last season. Things need to improve sooner, rather than later. As other sides develop genuine self belief and confidence winning games, it will make it so much more difficult for us to be competitive and win games. The next few weeks will be a real testing period for the entire club.

I think we all expected a bit of pain but....

Did anyone think we'd be last 3 years after the start of the rebuild?
With our worst percentage in over a hundred years and an equal worst ever win/ loss record for the season.
And the least number of goals kicked in a season since the competition moved to a 22 game season.


Selling that in 2015 would have been a "hard sell"

Like i said lods.  Unless everything went perfectly, it's not surprising.   The only reason we weren't going to finish last was if the wheels fell off somewhere else.

Our best case scenarios are still to finish in the 12-14 range at the start of the season.  Our worst case scenarios are 15-18.  All it takes for our worst case scenarios is for the cliff to come for a team like Sydney, gold coast, Brisbane, st kilda and we go from worst to best case winning 5 games for the year.

It's really simple to look at and see and some of us called it based on our injury list in January.

No, the 66 game rebuild was the creation of a footy reporter who used it after interviewing SOS.  The club has always used the term “multiple drafts”.

However, Bolton has now declared that he has the list he wants to develop into a premiership contender so it’s unlikely that we’ll see major list changes at the end of the season - unless SOS and co have missed the mark.

Not entirely true.

The club has certainly used the multiple drafts line most, but its also said 3 years as well. Pretty sure Bolton has referenced it in press conferences on at least 2 occassions. Club has kinda backed up the 3 years (with or without the definitive number) in club emails.

In any event, its clear that the hitting the draft stage is over and the rise up the ladder stage is expected to start kicking into gear.

How the current position is playing out amongst our everyday supporters is not able to be determined.
I'd guess there is still majority support...but I think most folk fear the result of not staying the course rather than being confident it will succeed.

If someone had said to you at the end of round 2 2015....

"We're rebuilding. It will take time. We may drop to the bottom of the ladder at the end of this year but that will mean some strong draft positions." Your response would probably have been.... "Bring it on!"

Had they added …

"Oh, by the way.... we'll also be last at the end of 2018 and  it will probably take several years after that before we're back in the finals....if at all, no guarantees!...and a couple of us won't be here to see it through"
... would you still have bought what they were selling.

Can you point to one of those Kruds
I can't recall the 66/3year ever being used directly by a club official.
It's why I asked for a direct reference.
Multiple drafts could mean any number.

This goes back to what i was saying earlier. Vocal minority

TBH, f*** them.

I don't need the club to pander to supporters who think we should have won a flag yesterday. I just want the club to get it right.

I understand that the club 'sold' the idea in the way they did. Playing it out warts and all would do nothing for the confidence of players, supporters and sponsors and served very little purpose apart from to reign in expectations for this 'vocal minority'

Not only does it dissuade potential sponsors. But it allows the players to think its ok to be losing as it was 'expected'.

Nope. Screw that. I'm happy the club did what it did.

Nah, i've searched before for no luck. Not everything is in the written form, and wading through hours worth of press conferences is not something i care to take the time to do.

I'm not happy.
I've thought from the start it was an exercise to buy time without consequence.
There may also have been a hidden agenda there to force out a coach who was never going to have his record damaged by going through a rebuilding process.

We had a side that finished 9th (actually ended up 6th due to the Essendon scandal)
The next year was an injury savaged year that saw us drop down then ladder.

Then two games into the 2015 season they sucked the absolute life out of the playing group by announcing a rebuild....two games!!
Since then we've dived to the bottom.

Would we be in a worse position if we hadn't followed the total rebuild path.
Well we could hardly be, could we.
To say we would be worse off assumes we would have been totally inactive during trades and draft .
We may not have had the currency but we would still have had options.
It may not have been Weitering, Dow and Walsh but there would still have been decent players there with mid first round picks.

Ah, "But the youth...the future you say."
Lets see how that develops before we call it.

But there is little point dwelling on the past.
What all of us want to see is a successful club.
A club winning games on a regular basis
We've been too long in the wilderness.