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Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #90 –
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.

Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!

One thing that can happen, is that you can consume more if you are sitting with people that can't or won't consume alcohol. But that is pretty rare event at a promoted wine and food function! However, pregnant women, tea totallers, etc., etc., still do attend such functions with their partners.

That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!

Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!

I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew, with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function, and that Daisy had attended with their approval. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!

Think about this in framework of having the players backs, or perhaps stabbing them in the back?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #91 –
Quote from: LP – on
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.

Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!

That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!

Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!

I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!

Give it up LP, that's just speculation at best. He could have had 12 glasses - and certainly looked well done in that shot with his GF?

The bloke did the wrong thing, he takes a whack, we move on.

It's not like he's the difference between is winning and losing ala Crippa....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #92 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Give it up LP, that's just speculation at best. He could have had 12 glasses - and certainly looked well done in that shot with his GF?

The bloke did the wrong thing, he takes a whack, we move on.

It's not like he's the difference between is winning and losing ala Crippa....

If you think this is over in the media you are kidding yourself, they are after somebody else, Daisy is just the leverage! The minute you start hearing fresh follow up facts that are withheld from original reports you know they have somebody in the gun, do not be so naive to think they do not already know the answers to the questions they ask!

I suspect they want to press the issue to see if they can get a more senior figure to put a foot in their mouth! We have a history of cracking under media pressure, the core issue might not even be related to Daisy, and the media are hoping someone will trip up on some other issue trying to deflect.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #93 –
Quote from: LP – on
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.

Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!

That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!

Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!

I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!

It's all guessing....even for the folks who were there, how much Thomas had to drink.
It's doubtful someone was sitting there going.... one, two, two and a half...
If the waiters were topping up the glasses Daisy probably doesn't even know how much he had to drink.

Another unknown is was his behaviour reflected his drinking?
 No-one sees to have commented on that but if others from the club did attend (and attendance and over-indulging is not an issue unless you were training the next morning) they would probably have given those making any judgment a good report of what transpired.
Wilson only broke the story that there was a problem being investigated.
She didn't create the situation or the fact the club was looking at it. She only reported it.
Someone (and it would have to have come from the club)has given her that information.
That's maybe a story in itself.

Photos of the event either show someone who's sloshed or someone just having a good time depending on what interpretation you want to put on it.
It's all just speculation.

The bottom line is the players have made the judgement (believe that or not, that's the clubs position) and Daisy has accepted it.

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #94 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The bottom line is the players have made the judgement (believe that or not, that's the clubs position) and Daisy has accepted it.

No doubt Lods, but the how and why does matter when you are trying to unify a club and it's culture!

If the media think certain senior club officials are being two-faced, we have potentially a much bigger problem! I feel the behind the scenes aspects of this are a bit glossed over by fans, but the media won't overlook them!

This is actually Caro's specialty, not football!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #95 –
There are so many versions and so much speculation as to what happened.  Unless you 100% know (talking to you, media), don't put your opinion in - it means nothing.

I don't care what the real version is - club spoke to Daisy, club punished (or rewarded) him with a week off - need to trust that!

End of story.

I hate the media gossip - if you say it load and often enough it becomes the fact even though it probably isn't.

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #96 –
Quote from: LP – on
No doubt Lods, but the how and why does matter when you are trying to unify a club and it's culture!

If the media think certain senior club officials are being two-faced, we have potentially a much bigger problem! I feel the behind the scenes aspects of this are a bit glossed over by fans, but the media won't overlook them!

This is actually Caro's specialty, not football!

I'm not sure what your getting at with the senior officials.
If they were in attendance and even if they wiped themselves off that's not really an issue.

They're not there to look after Thomas and the only one responsible for his behaviour would be Thomas himself.

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #97 –
Oh so now Matt Tilley on Nova is talking about it, more chastising Georgia Love from the Bachelorette, for replying to the 3AW tweet about it by saying she was there and he had way more than 2 drinks - Matt Tilley actually said that was awful of her to do and she’s a self promoter and should be ignored. 

Talk about a big deal being made about nothing - so he was off his face, not great, he’s been punished. Move on.

Fck the media, keep trying to kick to get us to crack - I’m more determined now that we stick together and shove it right up them!

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #98 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Oh so now Matt Tilley on Nova is talking about it, more chastising Georgia Love from the Bachelorette, for replying to the 3AW tweet about it by saying she was there and he had way more than 2 drinks - Matt Tilley actually said that was awful of her to do and she’s a self promoter and should be ignored. 

Talk about a big deal being made about nothing - so he was off his face, not great, he’s been punished. Move on.

Fck the media, keep trying to kick to get us to crack - I’m more determined now that we stick together and shove it right up them!

Too late for that.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #99 –
Quote from: dodge – on
I hate the media gossip - if you say it load and often enough it becomes the fact even though it probably isn't.

What does this mean when our club stays silent in the media, and allows discussions about or referencing the club to be driven by others? ;) This is a clear example of surrendering control of the narrative to external influences!

It's clear to me, professionalism starts or ends from the top down! I'd have to say all this has done has further reduced my faith in the board and executive, while having zero impact on what I think about coaches and players!

If the board and executive feel under pressure, who will pay the price?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #101 –
Quote from: LP – on
What does this mean when our club stays silent in the media, and allows discussions about or referencing the club to be driven by others? ;)

It's clear to me, professionalism starts or ends from the top down!

We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Misdemeanour noted and sanctioned... move on.

but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #103 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.

It's not an isolated incident Lods, we cannot keep giving them retrospective pass marks when the behavior is recidivist!

Previously it was comments from fans like, the club will learn from it and handle it better next time, then it happens all over again, and again, like a running joke!

Pretty much any of us could well have sat down and wrote out the script for these events before it happened, the media strategy, the club reaction, the follow up, we've seen it before multiple times. When will our club become proactive rather than reactive?

Quote from: madbluboy – on
but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.

We cannot really go there MBB, because we do not know the facts surrounding the event, but we can clearly comment on the public reaction and public responses!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Daisy in strife

Reply #104 –
If it's even half true, it's hardly perfect timing but he does his penance and we pay the potential penalty come Sunday.