Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #60 – June 13, 2019, 08:27:23 pm Quote from: Lods – on June 13, 2019, 07:56:35 pmJack's unlucky to be droppedBut it may be the emphasis is now on giving us the best possible side to win the game and development will take a back seat for a while.In a discussion between which player can give us the most.....If you're picking on effort and attitude Jack gets it every time.Murphy gives us more in other areas, possessions, territory gainedhttps://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=1607&pid2=4144&fid1=S&fid2=SNow we can argue their relative merits until we're blue in the face but the match committee have made a decision and they'll wear the consequences.So far their record is outstanding I suspect there's a different dynamic at play now...wins will take precedence over development for the rest of the year.Teams will be selected on who they regard as the best available.Forget the emergencies...they're probably unlikely to play.Ben Silvagni is a token gesture(Edit: If it is a typo that makes sense and they'll both probably play)fair enough call. it's about time in my book that the match committee focused on winning the game in front of us rather than future games. if their plans have murph's inclusion giving us a greater chance of winning this week, then i'm all for it. it's a good sign that we're upgrading a good performer rather than dumping a complete hack. jack will get another go when his form and team balance demand it. i like Jack's endeavor for sure - and if he can tidy up a few parts of his game i think he'll be a valuable role player for the side. he just needs to stick a few more marks, and kick at goal a fair bit better for the type of role he plays, coz he ain't a zippy goal sneak. a run in the 2's won't hurt him where hopefully he'll get more opportunity to practice those skills more often and against lesser opponents. Build up his strength and confidence. he's a fringe player until he can really nail something. fyi - i really like the way he has a crack and hope he does become a regular on his merit. murph - i get both sides of the story. certainly doesn't show the same willingness as Jack, but there's all types of willingness, and he has his moments where he wills himself to do something special. i think the short answer is that murph gives us more run around the ground, and he does have more score involvements than Jack, and he's not even a forward. he's been a very good player for us in the past, and i think he's still a pretty good player. he knows that pressure will start coming from below, which i hope fires him up to finish his career with some good games and some wins. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #61 – June 13, 2019, 08:33:05 pm Quote from: PaulP – on June 13, 2019, 08:19:35 pmThe reason why Teague selected him is because he wants him in the teamThe reason why Bolton used to select him is because he wanted him in the teamThe reason why Barker used to select him is because he wanted him in the teamThe reason why Malthouse used to select him is because he wanted him in the teamThe reason why Ratten used to select him is because he wanted him in the teamThe reason why Pagan used to select him is because he wanted him in the teamThere's no conspiracy, there's no mystery. There's no head scratching required.All failed and sacked. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #62 – June 13, 2019, 08:34:21 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on June 13, 2019, 08:33:05 pmAll failed and sacked.Yes, but not because they kept selecting Murphy. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #63 – June 13, 2019, 09:17:07 pm Quote from: Jack Burton – on June 13, 2019, 06:34:33 pmAgree re Jack, very stiff. From what I saw he deserved to keep his spot I agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.CARLTONB: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-SetonHB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale ThomasC: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam WalshHF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed CurnowF: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi CasboultR: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac FisherInt: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic NewmanEMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew LobbeIN: Marc MurphyOUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)WESTERN BULLDOGSB: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey WilliamsHB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton WoodC: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick LipinskiHF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam LloydF: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory DicksonR: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack MacraeInt: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey DaleEMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie YoungIN: Tory Dickson, Hayden CrozierOUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (Omitted Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #64 – June 13, 2019, 09:32:59 pm Quote from: crashlander – on June 13, 2019, 09:17:07 pm I agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.CARLTONB: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-SetonHB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale ThomasC: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam WalshHF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed CurnowF: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi CasboultR: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac FisherInt: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic NewmanEMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew LobbeIN: Marc MurphyOUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)WESTERN BULLDOGSB: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey WilliamsHB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton WoodC: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick LipinskiHF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam LloydF: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory DicksonR: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack MacraeInt: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey DaleEMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie YoungIN: Tory Dickson, Hayden CrozierOUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (OmittedBulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week... Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #65 – June 13, 2019, 10:45:13 pm Quote from: kruddler – on June 13, 2019, 08:17:46 pmThat's where i got my teams from before.I even triple checked the emergencies and it clearly had #37 Ben SilvagniSomeone obviously screwed something up there and has fixed the error.Happens a lot.... very professional reporting ? Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #66 – June 13, 2019, 10:59:54 pm We need pace against the Bulldogs. Mark Murphy vs Jack Silvagni, compare the pair. We are now in a position to pick a side based on the opposition and our needs rather than who’s available. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #67 – June 14, 2019, 03:33:33 am Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 13, 2019, 09:32:59 pmBulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week...Not much in it really EB. Trengrove? Meh. Gardiner is from their VFL team - the mid season draft?This was the WB team in round 5:WESTERN BULLDOGSB Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden CrozierHB Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Lachie YoungC Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason JohannisenHF Will Hayes, Josh Dunkley, Sam LloydF Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory DicksonFOL Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack MacraeI/C Mitch Wallis, Bailey Smith, Ed Richards, Billy Gowers Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #68 – June 14, 2019, 09:49:51 am Murphy would want to hit the ground running. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #69 – June 14, 2019, 10:03:43 am Horses for courses....Murphy was in our best when we played and beat them earlier in the year. He picked up 28 possessions.His inclusion really isn't the issue, it's more who drops out to make way. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #70 – June 14, 2019, 11:02:07 am We are "going for the win" as we know they are beatable.Murphy needs to deliver though. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #71 – June 14, 2019, 11:16:39 am FWIW, I would have Murphy in ahead of Jack, but Jack still unlucky to be dropped. It's difficult to leave anyone out of last weeks side.Looking at the upside, it's great to be in a position where we are saying that nobody should be dropped, and we have players in the VFL who are playing good footy but can't get a run (Kerr?, Goddard?).Imagine what selection would be like with a clear injury list....and I think we would be a lot closer to the crows on the ladder if our injury counts were swapped. Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #72 – June 14, 2019, 12:41:22 pm Quote from: PaulP – on June 13, 2019, 07:34:14 pmDon't tell me the new coach is playing favourites already ?Bloody Murphy - he's been starting 18 under 6 coaches. How the hell does this midget wrecking ball get away with it ? Why can't we find any coaches with balls ? Do we simply neuter them at the front door ? For 15 years ? And to think he does it with his favourite teddy bear permanently tucked under one arm !!No wonder we're trash.umm.. he was the best player in the AFL (according to the Players Assoc) at one point, under one of those 6 coaches.... Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #73 – June 14, 2019, 12:45:08 pm Quote from: PaulP – on June 13, 2019, 07:34:14 pmDon't tell me the new coach is playing favourites already ?Bloody Murphy - he's been starting 18 under 6 coaches. How the hell does this midget wrecking ball get away with it ? Why can't we find any coaches with balls ? Do we simply neuter them at the front door ? For 15 years ? And to think he does it with his favourite teddy bear permanently tucked under one arm !!No wonder we're trash.Thanks PaulP, that got me smiling again and cheered me up! Quote Selected
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs Reply #74 – June 14, 2019, 12:46:27 pm I think Paul forgot his emoticons Quote Selected