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Reply #105 –
Safety issues are one thing, no problems there. The car being part driven from a control center in the pits is quite something else afaic.
Reality always wins in the end.
 

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Reply #106 –
I don't get the drivers complaining about the Turkish GP's lack of track grip, it'was the same for everyone and a great spectacle to watch.

Hamilton proved he's the best, the best won on a day when the effects of the car technology was greatly diminished, even more exciting those less skill at driving but more skilled at the use of technology were exposed as frauds!

The complaining drivers come across as spoiled brats, they just want a track that allows them to go foot to the floor 90% of the time through straight or curve, skill-less boring drivel for 2hrs then collect a big pay cheque!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #107 –
Quote from: LP – on
I don't get the drivers complaining about the Turkish GP's lack of track grip, it'was the same for everyone and a great spectacle to watch.

Hamilton proved he's the best, the best won on a day when the effects of the car technology was greatly diminished, even more exciting those less skill at driving but more skilled at the use of technology were exposed as frauds!

The complaining drivers come across as spoiled brats, they just want a track that allows them to go foot to the floor 90% of the time through straight or curve, skill-less boring drivel for 2hrs then collect a big pay cheque!

As usual you fail to provide a link to what you are referring too.

From what i understand is that the track was slippery even when dry as it had just been resurfaced.....and done more slippery than normal.
Add to that there is usually a lot of rubbering in of tracks before f1 cars get on there (which did not occur here) and you'll see why there is a bit of an issue.

The fact that it rained all weekend just compounded the issues 10-fold.

Why would they be complaining?
Maybe its got something to do with driving cars that go 300mph and can kill them?

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Reply #108 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Why would they be complaining?
Maybe its got something to do with driving cars that go 300mph and can kill them?
My bad sorry about the lack of links, I just presumed someone interested in the sport and wishing to comment would be up to speed on the latest news.

There is no rule in Motorsport that says the track must permit the maximum theoretical speed limit for a car, or require circulation at full throttle, none at all, so the engineers put in some devices to regulate that speed, a gearbox, accelerator and a brake, all controlled by the highly skilled driver! If the driver is stupid enough or lacks the ability to control that outcome they don't belong in racing, and complaining about the conditions only makes them look petty!

Hamilton finished the race on bald intermediate tyres, despite segments of the track still being covered in surface water, while others including his team-mate in an identical car and Ricciardo who couldn't stay on the track at times even with fresh full wets!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #109 –
Quote from: LP – on
My bad sorry about the lack of links, I just presumed someone interested in the sport and wishing to comment would be up to speed on the latest news.

Right back at you. All of this was covered in depth in the coverage. I guess you didn't watch it.

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Reply #110 –
Some these modern drivers make me laugh, I call them steering wheel attendants. Hamilton was heard asking his race engineer if his tyres would last to the end of the race. Senna, Schuey, Prost et al would never ask such
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Reply #111 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Some these modern drivers make me laugh, I call them steering wheel attendants. Hamilton was heard asking his race engineer if his tyres would last to the end of the race. Senna, Schuey, Prost et al would never ask such

I get your point, and the answer is clearly no. However, if they were to ask, they would not get an answer because they wouldn't know.

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I get your point, and the answer is clearly no. However, if they were to ask, they would not get an answer because they wouldn't know.
Hamilton is fast and clean, rarely crashes. But he come across as a dumb ass with zero mechanical aptitude. Like the character Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder. Top line race car drivers "feel" the car and know what every corner is doing, what the engine and gearbox is doing. The legends I mentioned earlier could get a car home with three wheels, stuck in top gear, etc. If that happened to one of these young bozos (Ham included), they wouldnt know what to do other than throw the toys out of the cockpit and have a good cry.
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Reply #113 –
They wouldn't be allowed to try to get a car home with three wheels, stuck in third gear.  Their teams would force them to stop to ensure nothing further goes wrong in case they face penalties for replacing engines, gearboxes etc.  Trying to limp home doesn't have many benefits.

The racing this year has been good to watch, with several new circuits and not knowing which cars are going to go well on what circuit, some weekends not having the Friday practice.  Within races, there has generally been quite a bit of overtaking - a few exceptions.

As we know from footy, comparing eras and drivers is pretty hard, particularly as it is the combination of car + driver that makes a difference.

Have technology changes made racing better?  Certainly faster and safer, but less 'natural' overtaking (need DRS - even that doesn't help on some circuits).  Wet weather racing, like footy, often brings out the best.

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Reply #114 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Hamilton is fast and clean, rarely crashes. But he come across as a dumb ass with zero mechanical aptitude. Like the character Cole Trickle in Days of Thunder. Top line race car drivers "feel" the car and know what every corner is doing, what the engine and gearbox is doing. The legends I mentioned earlier could get a car home with three wheels, stuck in top gear, etc. If that happened to one of these young bozos (Ham included), they wouldnt know what to do other than throw the toys out of the cockpit and have a good cry.

I'm not Hamiltons biggest fan, but credit where credit is due. He drove his car home on 3 wheels just this year.
He managed to deal with the conditions better than anyone else, despite (for once) not having the best car. Racing point did.

There's a good example of what you are talking about in Rush. The Hunt/Lauda movie.
Niki Lauda jumps in a $hitbox car from a female companion and uses his a$$ to tell that the suspension is shot despite her insistance it just had a service.

I get it, and i agree.

But by the same token, Lauda pulled over mid-race and stopped his car because conditions were too terrible. He lost the championship by a point because of it. No mention of him being a primadonna?

What has changed?
1. Technology
2. Less bravado
3. More brains.

Talent? Debatable. It is a different talent. Modern day drivers are more managers of their cars now.
But....don't forget, the modern F1 driver are still coming through Karts and the lower formulas just like your yesteryear heroes did. They still learn to drive the same thing, the same way.
Just this week i saw a 13 (?) yo Hamilton win a karting race coming from last to first in something like 6 laps. Most of the other racers were 15 or so.

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Reply #115 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Have technology changes made racing better?  Certainly faster and safer, but less 'natural' overtaking (need DRS - even that doesn't help on some circuits).  Wet weather racing, like footy, often brings out the best.

This is the problem. Technology has made things faster....its all about downforce to assist with speed and cornering. Improved downforce is the enemy of good overtaking.

Year after year they try to reduce downforce to assist in overtaking. However we are so far advanced than what we were decades ago, that we can never go back and need 'assists' to facilitate overtaking.

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Reply #116 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Hamilton is fast and clean, rarely crashes. 
I haven't always been a fan because the whining, but what he did in those conditions last weekend set him apart from all other drivers.

The proof is in the pudding and he turned slop into a souffle.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #117 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Right back at you. All of this was covered in depth in the coverage. I guess you didn't watch it.
I don't care what the coverage specialists state, they are mostly butt lickers protecting their jobs and making sure the drivers will talk to them post race!

Watch those F1 drivers bitching post race, having been defeated by Hamilton who was driving on bald tyres, then re-run old footage of Brock coming through the chase on old tyres in the rain on the last lap at Bathurst while calmly talking to the TV broadcast crew as he set the lap record!

The drivers whining is very analogous to Danger bitching about reduced interchange, nobody wants peak sport to be a doddle, nobody has the right to monopolise spots on a list, except the people already in there it seems!

They don't get millions for going through the motion, nobody should, if they keep pushing sport in that direction they be replaced by robots, and you can marvel at machines that shoot a thousand consecutive 3 pointers without missing one!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #118 –
No comments on Romain Grosjean defying the laws of physics to escape, essentially, uninjured from his freak accident?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ7_En2xEm4

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Reply #119 –
If that doesn't float your boat, what about George Russell taking over for Lewis Hamilton (covid) in the all conquering Mercedes this weekend?

For once we will see the difference between a good driver in a $hit car (Williams) and a good driver in the best car.

I believe Russell is up to something like 34-0 in terms of outqualifying his teammate in his career thus far. Lets see if he can outqualify the more than competent Valteri Bottas this weekend.

The only thing i don't like about this swap is that Russell needs to get his head around the dual-axis steering that is unique to the mercedes. I'm not sure it will be the fair comparison we want it to be as surely that takes 100's laps to get the hang of. But we'll see.