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Re: Formula 1

Reply #300
Current standings after 23 of 24 rounds
408 - Lando Norris - 7 wins
396 - Max Verstappen - 7 wins
392 - Oscar Piastri- 7 wins

Swap the result back in Monza when they asked Oscar to swap positions because of a poor Lando pitstop and going into this race it would be....

405 - Lando - 7 wins
396 - Max - 7 wins.
395 - Oscar - 7 wins

Whoever wins last race, wins the championship, unless Norris comes 2nd, then he does.

.....but no....'papaya rules'............that help Norris.

Re: Formula 1

Reply #301
Another season over, but fans can't help but be left feeling a bit disenchanted with the result. Whether it's real or not the competitor begging and apparent favouritism leaves most experiencing events as a touch distasteful. We want one on one not one versus a team.

I get that in a team there is an "A" and "B" driver, not always for the reasons people think, sometimes it's capability, sometimes other peripheral issues. But in sport we want the best of the best to perform unhindered, and this season's result seems to fall well short of that.

So I accept the team decisions, what I don't understand is how drivers escape officialdom. Yet it seems every year the driver / team that escapes scrutiny for various infractions ends up the victor. The evidence this season is pretty stark reminder to fans that all is not equal. In the last 4 or 5 races we had the eventual champion escape penalty, not once or twice but on four occasions, while other drivers were penalised 5s, 10s or subsequent even grid places for far lesser infractions. As much as I'd like to think it's a sport, it's hard to dismiss the events. Perhaps I understand the lack of penalty int he final race, because the price paid would be massive, but the genesis of the problem was months old. We can explain away one or perhaps even two escapes as lucky, but when the numbers start to add up the cynicism is earned.

The whole season makes me feel like I've just watched a dodgy Olympic diving session where the Russian or China judges give contestants except compatriots a fail.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

 

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Reply #302
I dont get all the fuss.  Sure, Piastris fortunes were somewhat out of his own hands, but he had a bit of an ordinary run that saw him back back to the field. 

Its as much a bottle job as anything else.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #303
I dont get all the fuss.  Sure, Piastris fortunes were somewhat out of his own hands, but he had a bit of an ordinary run that saw him back back to the field. 

Its as much a bottle job as anything else.
Yes, I tend to agree, which is why I was barracking for Max in the end.

But it's stuff like the below image that is the slightly distasteful residue, keeping in mind other drivers were penalised for the same or less, some you may recall were even penalised for this happening after contact while cornering, they hadn't voluntarily driven off the track.

Runoff zones and margins are there for safety, not a shortcut. If Norris hadn't regained that place by driving off the track, Max wins the title! My concern is that Norris has done similar several times and not been penalised, while others have a one strike policy applied!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #304
I dont get all the fuss.  Sure, Piastris fortunes were somewhat out of his own hands, but he had a bit of an ordinary run that saw him back back to the field. 

Its as much a bottle job as anything else.
Yes, I tend to agree, which is why I was barracking for Max in the end.

But it's stuff like the below image that is the slightly distasteful residue, keeping in mind other drivers were penalised for the same or less, some you may recall were even penalised for this happening after contact while cornering, they hadn't voluntarily driven off the track.

Runoff zones and margins are there for safety, not a shortcut. If Norris hadn't regained that place by driving off the track, Max wins the title! My concern is that Norris has done similar several times and not been penalised, while others have a one strike policy applied!

Tsunoda was lucky to not be given a harsher penalty for that. Reckless driving, against the rules and the spirit of the competition. There was no analogue for that this season.

Lando did go off track 'voluntarily' but running up his backside was basically the only alternative. Slamming on the brakes unexpectedly while turning with DRS active is a recipe for disaster.

Personally i hope the McLarens are no good next year and then Oscar will have the pick of the bunch on what team he can jump ship too and hopefully win his championship there.

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Reply #305
There was no analogue for that this season.
Have you watched any of Lando's starts, he makes a blowfly like direct and to the point?

But again, what happened and why doesn't explain the continual escape from scrutiny, but fear and influence does!

If Lando had not escaped scrutiny across 2 out of 3 races earlier in the season, when he basically forced opponents off the track without penalty, then Max would have probably won with points to spare and Lando might well have been consigned to 3rd spot behind Oscar.

If Lando has shown himself to be supreme at one thing, it's complaining loud and early to sway opinion, it's like when Dangerflog begs the umpires for special consideration after he's just freshly tunnelled another opponent!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #306
There was no analogue for that this season.
Have you watched any of Lando's starts, he makes a blowfly like direct and to the point?

But again, what happened and why doesn't explain the continual escape from scrutiny, but fear and influence does!

If Lando had not escaped scrutiny across 2 out of 3 races earlier in the season, when he basically forced opponents off the track without penalty, then Max would have probably won with points to spare and Lando might well have been consigned to 3rd spot behind Oscar.

If Lando has shown himself to be supreme at one thing, it's complaining loud and early to sway opinion, it's like when Dangerflog begs the umpires for special consideration after he's just freshly tunnelled another opponent!

Starts are not an analogue. That is semi-controlled chaos which always gets the benefit of the doubt.