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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1140 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Listen to "Stuff You Should Know" podcast..........................for information about everything that has ever existed. (over 1200 episodes)

In this instance, they did one with Bill Gates a week ago. He talks about Vaccines for Covid 19.

https://player.fm/series/stuff-you-should-know-2151878/short-stuff-the-return-of-bill-gates

They also did one on Covid 19 a while back which goes into great detail about it.
Got episodes on Spanish Flu (100 years ago, same thing happened as now - we learned nothing!)
@kruddler  Great links.

Perhaps they did learn something, but current actions are just wilfully ignoring history to save a penny! ::)

Yes, the current situation is being politically managed almost identical to the Spanish Flu, it's truly bizarre. If you read up on the Spanish Flu history you can almost predict what the current politicians and bureaucrats will do next, even though some of those actions are monstrously wrong!

Political and social media spin about vaccines is very dangerous, it leaves an excuse for politicians to sit on their hands and do nothing, even though they are well aware of how long it takes to get a vaccine up and working. They been told this multiple times face to face, yet they broadcast disinformation, mostly I suspect to stop the social media causing people to lose hope and break the isolation rules. But I don't think misleading the public helps at all!

Last night Channel Dots had an interview with a virologist, he told them the Oxford vaccine Phase-3 trials haven't started yet, and that means at least 6 to 12 months before someone in the general public sees a dose, even if the process is shortcut. Even with the development on turbo the people in the trial have to be treated for at least 3 to 6 months before they know if the vaccine is safe and effective, then they will start making it in bulk. Not five minutes later on the same news broadcast Channel Dots reported that the vaccine could be here before Christmas, it's bullcrap and somebody should hold them to account!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1141 –
Media needs to be held with the same "esteem" as politicians and bureaucrats

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1142 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Media needs to be held in the same "esteem" as politicians and bureaucrats

It is. On the untrustworthy scale the top 5 professions (not in order) are: politicians, used car salesmen, journalists, real estate agents and finance/banking folks.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1143 –
From what I can tell,  many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1144 –
Quote from: LP – on
@kruddler  Great links.

Perhaps they did learn something, but current actions are just wilfully ignoring history to save a penny! ::)

Yes, the current situation is being politically managed almost identical to the Spanish Flu, it's truly bizarre. If you read up on the Spanish Flu history you can almost predict what the current politicians and bureaucrats will do next, even though some of those actions are monstrously wrong!

Political and social media spin about vaccines is very dangerous, it leaves an excuse for politicians to sit on their hands and do nothing, even though they are well aware of how long it takes to get a vaccine up and working. They been told this multiple times face to face, yet they broadcast disinformation, mostly I suspect to stop the social media causing people to lose hope and break the isolation rules. But I don't think misleading the public helps at all!

Last night Channel Dots had an interview with a virologist, he told them the Oxford vaccine Phase-3 trials haven't started yet, and that means at least 6 to 12 months before someone in the general public sees a dose, even if the process is shortcut. Even with the development on turbo the people in the trial have to be treated for at least 3 to 6 months before they know if the vaccine is safe and effective, then they will start making it in bulk. Not five minutes later on the same news broadcast Channel Dots reported that the vaccine could be here before Christmas, it's bullcrap and somebody should hold them to account!

Have you heard about the current capability that we are looking to produce said vaccine?

To dose the population in large enough numbers, we would have to double our ability to create one and that timeline might work, provided we already know what it looks like, and stop producing vaccines for everything else (including measles, mumps, rubella and all the standard ones the kids get).

We are years away from a proper tested vaccine being administered to anyone!
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1145 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Have you heard about the current capability that we are looking to produce said vaccine?

To dose the population in large enough numbers, we would have to double our ability to create one and that timeline might work, provided we already know what it looks like, and stop producing vaccines for everything else (including measles, mumps, rubella and all the standard ones the kids get).

We are years away from a proper tested vaccine being administered to anyone!
Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.
I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?
Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1146 –
I think there will be 'incentives' for people to get vaccinated as well as 'disincentives ' if they don't.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1147 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I think there will be 'incentives' for people to get vaccinated as well as 'disincentives ' if they don't.
There is rumour talk of Vaccine passports and travel restrictions even interstate, look forward to more protests and increased numbers of anti vaxers. Like I said I wouldnt be keen on the first batch of vaccine and would want to wait and see the side effects etc.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1148 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
There is rumour talk of Vaccine passports and travel restrictions even interstate, look forward to more protests and increased numbers of anti vaxers. Like I said I wouldnt be keen on the first batch of vaccine and would want to wait and see the side effects etc.

Likewise. Too often in the rush to be the first company to get the vaccine approval and the billions of dollars that come with it, corners can be cut. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, sheesh I was vaccined to the eye balls when I joined the Navy with TB, Yellow Fever and a couple of others - no problems though a few blokes did get crook, so I have absolutely no issue with the rock solid science in regard to the effectiveness of vaccines as a scientific principal / fact - the positive evidence is overwhelming... but a 'rushed through' vaccine? Nuh, FO. A 'rushed through to get the billions of clams' any medicine I always treat with healthy skepticism.

It's all about trust and a lot of community trust has gone out the window with all too many drugs/medicines that have wreaked havoc on the lives of too many people through being expedited to ensure the securing of billions of dollars - never, ever underestimate human greed. Once a C-19 has passed rigorous/legitimate/trusted testing I'll be one of the first with my sleeve rolled up.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1149 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
From what I can tell,  many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.
 Many modern "journalists", using the term in it's broadest sense, are nothing more than social media bloggers in a power suit!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1150 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.

I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?

Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares....
Thalidomide anyone?
(Please do not take offense, I'm not trivialising anything!)

That was probably the highest profile bad batch of untested pharmaceuticals ever produced, and all that was caused by a change in molecule chirality when it flipped from Righthand to Lefthand spiral during manufacture? That is why testing is so so important!

I understand what ScoMo was trying to do, these big foreign entities have the capability to make enough for Australia in just a few weeks. But he ignored the fact that Oxford's R&D is privately funded, and that no deal he can do will change that for Astra Zeneca and other big pharmaceutical companies! Trump offered to buy some of them out and they told him to shove it. ScoMo tried to bully them into a freebie because we do not have the capacity to make the stuff here fast enough!

The Politicians and Social Media Conspiracy Theorists will try to paint Astra Zeneca and others out as the bad guys, but they are spending big dollars placing a bet that they can solve the vaccine problem, and they deserve both the credit and a return on investment, just not a gouging return!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1151 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.
I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?
Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares....
EB it will not happen here, the drug will to be tested as bullet proof for safety and efficacy, not so sure about or Russian friends though.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1152 –
Quote from: LP – on
Thalidomide anyone?
(Please do not take offense, I'm not trivialising anything!)

That was probably the highest profile bad batch of untested pharmaceuticals ever produced, and all that was caused by a change in molecule chirality when it flipped from Righthand to Lefthand spiral during manufacture? That is why testing is so so important!

I understand what ScoMo was trying to do, these big foreign entities have the capability to make enough for Australia in just a few weeks. But he ignored the fact that Oxford's R&D is privately funded, and that no deal he can do will change that for Astra Zeneca and other big pharmaceutical companies! Trump offered to buy some of them out and they told him to shove it. ScoMo tried to bully them into a freebie because we do not have the capacity to make the stuff here fast enough!
CSL can make it fast and how.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1153 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
CSL can make it fast and how.
We can't even get the glass vials to hold the stuff in, there is a global shortage as a couple of big European companies bought up all the critical sand and glass supplies when COVID broke. Vials are made from a special high purity form of Pyrex, and the sand comes from just one or two fresh water locations on earth.

Brewing a batch is the least of the issues!

Also, 25 million isn't likely to be the number, most vaccines take one dose with one or two boosters if they are lifelong immunisation. If not lifelong you need 25 million every COVID season or a couple of times per year! So just to get started it's probably 50 million, and then there are issues about how you store, transport and administer 50 million does, it's not a trivial problem. For example, after months and months or availability we've still only COVID tested a couple of million! (Actually it's about 4M now, after six months!)
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1154 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
From what I can tell,  many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.

So true, Fluffy One. There was a time when journalism held a deal of esteem... today's journalists, often, are nothing other than those who can get the most 'clicks'. Click bait and how magnetic that bait is, is the only skill required. Integrity and dignity can go and get stuffed, they don't get 'clicks' driven by sensationalism, rumour, exaggeration, embellishment and plain old bullsh1t.

However, if you dig hard enough you will find brilliant and deeply informative journalism in non-mainstream media, journalists motivated by integrity and TRUTH not clicks, not popularity. Some of our greatest literary heroes and heroines have been and are courageous investigative journalists... just gotta dig. And most would rather eat out of supermarket bins than write for News Corp....
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