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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6330 –
Quote from: capcom – on
The staffing shortages is (for mine) a great concern.  Who wouldn't suffer burn out at the rate they've been going for 2 years.  And what we know now are the exploding cases of recent days, not those yet to come to light.
ICU nurses dont earn that much more than ordinary RN's and considering the training/schooling required vs the pressure you are under you are relying on the goodwill and care factor to keep them in the job but that only stretches so far.
You also dont get many ICU trained nurses working for agencies, ditto for Cardiac and the other specializations. Agencies will send out an ordinary RN as a fill in but they often dont have the specialization required and it shouldnt be allowed but it happens.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6331 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
ICU nurses dont earn that much more than ordinary RN's and considering the training/schooling required vs the pressure you are under you are relying on the goodwill and care factor to keep them in the job but that only stretches so far.
You also dont get many ICU trained nurses working for agencies, ditto for Cardiac and the other specializations. Agencies will send out an ordinary RN as a fill in but they often dont have the specialization required and it shouldnt be allowed but it happens.
Anyway EB1, that same report I read about available ICU beds dropping mentioned that to reach Australia's emergency ICU bed cap, which doubles the number of available ICU beds, you need an extra 40k fulltime ICU nurses, it's not going to happen, it's a fantasy! For each 24x7 ICU bed, you must need about 20 staff to both directly service the bed and to maintain supply chain and support logistics / services!

For example, they said if every Australia Emergency Surge ICU bed was occupied, there are not enough technicians available across the country to keep all the gadgets running for more than a month or so! They would have to change the rules / laws about compliance and calibration to make it work, but that then opens them(hospitals/staff) up to the opportunistic lawyer to litigate when things go wrong!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6332 –
Quote from: LP – on
Just a couple of weeks back the media laughed at and derided that scientist in NSW who predicted 25K cases a day, most of us including myself thought he was talking worst case!

Now they are saying if they can't get the brakes on 150k a day is a possibility in NSW, God help the hospitals and staff, Australia is not equipped to deal with this, never was and never will be!

Doherty institute modelling suggested 250,000, not 25,000.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6333 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Doherty institute modelling suggested 250,000, not 25,000.
And that means the sceptics were right? :o

If this was a closest to the pin there was only one winner, and it's not the naysayers, the naysayers didn't even make it through the heats! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6334 –
Quote from: LP – on
And that means the sceptics were right? :o

If this was a closest to the pin there was only one winner, and it's not the naysayers, the naysayers didn't even make it through the heats! ;)

All I'm saying is the 250,000 is a highly unlikely figure. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6336 –
Australia only did 277,000 tests yesterday and that's turning people away. 
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6337 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Australia only did 277,000 tests yesterday and that's turning people away. 
Thats the thing that the modelling doesn't take into account.

Its all nice and pretty on a computer simulation, but reality simply cannot push through enough tests to confirm/deny people so the higher the numbers the more inaccurate they actually are.

The other day when our positive cases were down just happened to coincide with testing centres being closed down because they couldn't push through enough people. The majority of those people were simply getting tested for travel reasons.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6338 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Thats the thing that the modelling doesn't take into account.
Agreed, in fact they already concede that the real case number is far higher.

I can't disagree with that claim because the modelling is spot on in regard to predicting 15% of tests will be positive but will represent only 30% to 50% of cases in the wider community.

So by extrapolation, to get to 250K confirmed positive cases in a day you would have to test 1.7M people, which is clearly not ever going to happen in Australia! We are not even sustainably meeting the current demand which is about 1/5th of that!

There is also a bit of an assumption, the media has gone quiet on variants like Omicron is the last, that is a big if!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6339 –
In Queensland they opened up despite a new variant to which they weren't certain vaccines gave adequate protection.

Now they've scrapped the need for an exit isolation test one day after it was decided on.
Folks should 'go to the beach' rather than get tested
Now they're sending 'close contact' health workers back to work.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/covid-healthcare-staff-who-are-close-contacts-to-be-ordered-back-to-work-20211231-p59l6t.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0gOeiSbE4_00wn0cQ3kPVxr9vUVjS-21wzZgdkx2l_qeBgPhD4k7ZDYio#Echobox=1640937812


And it came to pass, that at Christmas 2021 the folks in charge said WTF...and gave up.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6340 –
Quote from: Lods – on
In Queensland they opened up despite a new variant to which they weren't certain vaccines gave adequate protection.

Now they've scrapped the need for an exit isolation test one day after it was decided on.
Folks should 'go to the beach' rather than get tested
Now they're sending 'close contact' health workers back to work.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/covid-healthcare-staff-who-are-close-contacts-to-be-ordered-back-to-work-20211231-p59l6t.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0gOeiSbE4_00wn0cQ3kPVxr9vUVjS-21wzZgdkx2l_qeBgPhD4k7ZDYio#Echobox=1640937812


And it came to pass, that at Christmas 2021 the folks in charge said WTF...and gave up.
Yep no rapid test after your 7 day quarantine ends, just head back out and infect a few others so ScoMo can save a few dollars.
All healthcare workers back on deck too at the end of their 7 day quarantine and I know that nurses who applied for leave in the Vic public system are being told to not count on getting it in the forthcoming months.
Israel using their healthcare workers as lab rats in a study for the 4th dose boosters...how many boosters can you keep having?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6341 –
Do we need a reminder that flu shots are seasonal? If we had to pay $1,000 a shot for a Covid booster, we'd need to crunch the numbers whether another shot is worth it. But when they're free (disregarding that we all pay indirectly for government expenditure), then where's the problem?

The search for the holy grail will continue: a vaccine that targets part of the virus that doesn't mutate. There was an article a little while ago that covered Australian scientists who had been developing computer technology to determine stable parts of cancer cells to target. They had broadened their research to cover Covid. A rare disease or illness only attracts limited research money and man-hours, but a global pandemic draws much more resources. Cynics will claim that Big Pharma may already have formulated such a universal vaccine but, like the Saudis supposedly hoarding all manner of petrol-replacing products, they're sitting on it so they can keep the vaccine dollars coming in. But no doubt there's a few scientists out there who'd quite like a Nobel prize for bringing the pandemic to an end. Until that happens, I'm happy to take the boosters (or new vaccines to combat new strains) from time to time.  

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6342 –
Here's an interview on the ABC's PM with the Director of The Doherty Institute:
Doherty Institute Director explains why COVID precautions are being eased, abc.net.au

As she explains, the settings for public health policies are dictated by risk management strategies. Given that the testing resources are fairly fixed in the short term (and the shortage of RATs is down to the Federal Govt), the changes to isolation and quarantine policies are more about making the best use of what we have.

She also notes the data from the UK and South Africa suggests that Omicron leads to milder symptoms, so that changes the risk management calculations.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6343 –
Looks like ScoMo doesnt want to foot the bill anymore for bulk testing and what has to give in return is the increase in the number of hospital admissions so that becomes a problem for the States...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6344 –
Here's an article co-written by the Director of the Doherty Institute:  Why our big COVID switch is wise, The Age.