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..and people think that the other mob would have done a better job than Andrews???  Really,  oh ROFLMAO...

O'Brien, Lobster Boy ET AL... Oh that's rich.

At the end of the day, this biggest problem isn't the idea of putting security in that role.

That whole event has been politicised, and left a very sour note in my mouth because with every Andrews argument I hear, I see information conveniently ignored because it doesnt fit the rhetoric.  You can see confirmation bias and hypocrisy in every argument.

Disagree with most of your post but those 2 bits sh## the most.

The biggest problem was the approach to quarantine which lead to the appointment of security guards. Not one decision they made along the way made any sense then or now.

The bit about how this is somehow "politicised" is really poor. I voted for Dan and have been a big fan. That doesn't mean I'll blindly follow every dumb thing he does. So just because you're viewing everything through a "politicised" lense doesn't mean everybody else is.

Andrew's has got a lot right and a lot wrong.

But  Andrew's isn't responsible for people's behaviour: the skank who supposedly swapped a bit for a shopping trip,  and the guard who participated should be held responsible for their actions.

Sorry jeza, you may not agree with me and thats fine but as someone who sees politicians as leeches on society I find it ironic that people are talking about him pandering to his crony union mates regarding the hotels.

I dont think you need to train someone to not let people out and not screw them during  pandemic.

The people in quarantine are more culpable than any guard or any policy.

You might agree you might not, but the actions of people and the outcome speaka for itself.

Fwiw there's still no concrete proof the hotels were the root cause of the issue.

The CHO said it this evening.

If you are relatively fit and healthy, you are fine.

PS; If you want a sign of how petty and arbitrary this COVID-19 lockdown mentality is, search for Dannii Minogue quarantine, and suck down the Qld hypocrisy for the star who has returned from the one of the world's genuine COVID-19 hotspots!

She is obviously too pretty to have the plague, nobody will label her COVID Dannii!

No but he's certainly responsible for ensuring rock solid processes and policies are in place such that the virus didn't escape back into the community (from quarantine).

The CHO essentially reaffirmed today that it's highly likely all current cases stem from the quarantine breach.

Dan hasn't had a more important responsibility during his tenure.

And he royally f^%$d it up.

the blunder will cost the economy further billions, keeps 1000s of kids out of school and cause a whole heap more pain & grief on 10s of 1000s of people.

That's on him. If you wanna be the big kahuna you take the good and you take the bad.

In any private organisation, he'd be gone by now.

It's facile to say he can't be blamed for others' action. Even puerile.

Wow, the very definition of scapegoating right there.

In your 2nd sentence you say, 'The CHO essentially reaffirmed today that it's highly likely all current cases stem from the quarantine breach.' Then you proceed to blame and demonise one person, in this instance, the state Premier. Talk about a contradiction that swiftly unravel's your argument.

Put another way, who put the quarantine in place? The Premier. Who broke the quarantine? The c0ckheads. Who's to blame? The c0ckheads. Fair suck of the sav, FB.

I understand that people have political allegiances -- too often blind allegiances -- and salivate over the opportunity to blame someone other than their mob for any trouble... but sheesh! This is why I refuse to have any political allegiance... lowers IQ points by a big margin almost immediately. Retaining objectivity and rational, logical thinking should be the goal of everyone, especially around election time.

The investigation will ideally reveal any stuff ups from Andrews or anyone else in his govt or in the administration of the security company or any shenanigans between unions and govt. But blaming Andrews for everything at the moments... holy mackerel... you probably also think Andrews was the other shooter from the grassy knoll!

Wow, the very definition of scapegoating right there.

In your 2nd sentence you say, 'The CHO essentially reaffirmed today that it's highly likely all current cases stem from the quarantine breach.' Then you proceed to blame and demonise one person, in this instance, the state Premier. Talk about a contradiction that swiftly unravel's your argument.

Put another way, who put the quarantine in place? The Premier. Who broke the quarantine? The c0ckheads. Who's to blame? The c0ckheads. Fair suck of the sav, FB.

I understand that people have political allegiances -- too often blind allegiances -- and salivate over the opportunity to blame someone other than their mob for any trouble... but sheesh! This is why I refuse to have any political allegiance... lowers IQ points by a big margin almost immediately. Retaining objectivity and rational, logical thinking should be the goal of everyone, especially around election time.

The investigation will ideally reveal any stuff ups from Andrews or anyone else in his govt or in the administration of the security company or any shenanigans between unions and govt. But blaming Andrews for everything at the moments... holy mackerel... you probably also think Andrews was the other shooter from the grassy knoll!

And a little more shade...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-infection-data-kept-secret-as-opposition-calls-for-ministers-to-be-dumped-20200714-p55by9.html