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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #795 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's fine, it is relative to other diseases which is perfectly relevant.

As opposed to some the figures you've quoted below, like;Hmm, officially India report about 20K deaths from 700K cases, that 20/700 * 100 = 3%

The thing that is extraordinary about India is that it is not like Brazil, at least yet, the strongest drivers of COVID-19 deaths versus cases are socio-economic! Of course India, unlike yourself and Brazil, isn't in denial about COVID-19, India took it very very seriously right from the start.

CFRs are BS numbers, but no doubt you know that....

You think I made that up?

14 deaths per million. It's a piss in the wind to the other stuff they've faced through history.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And the chart is BS by any metric - you can't simply omit a dozen or so of the top causes of death to make a point.

It's clear you have an agenda, so be it.

Thankfully, the data speaks for itself.

Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #796 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
CFRs are BS numbers, but no doubt you know that....

You think I made that up?

14 deaths per million. It's a piss in the wind to the other stuff they've faced through history.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And the chart is BS by any metric - you can't simply omit a dozen or so of the top causes of death to make a point.

It's clear you have an agenda, so be it.

Thankfully, the data speaks for itself.
RUOK Flyboy?

The thing that is a bit disturbing is that you looked at the Flourish graph and immediately focused on millions of deaths that should be counted above COVID-19, that is if the chart had every possible means of death listed. Trivializing and discounting the thousands of people who have died from COVID-19 related complications, and even in our own town many more who may in light of the post restriction reckless behavior that is promoted by similar outlooks to your own!

You've constructed a disturbing and destructive model of reality that gets reinforced every time you read some questionable facts or dubious data relationship, while immediately disregarding the real figures and lives lost. The problems isn't the figures, COVID-19 isn't a conspiracy, it's a pandemic that is killing people and you should consider those with friends and family who have been harmed or perished before you trivialize it further.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #797 –
Quote from: LP – on
RUOK Flyboy?

The thing that is a bit disturbing is that you looked at the Flourish graph and immediately focused on millions of deaths that should be counted above COVID-19, that is if the chart had every possible means of death listed. Trivializing and discounting the thousands of people who have died from COVID-19 related complications, and even in our own town many more who may in light of the post restriction reckless behavior that is promoted by similar outlooks to your own!

You've constructed a disturbing and destructive model of reality that gets reinforced every time you read some questionable facts or dubious data relationship, while immediately disregarding the real figures and lives lost. The problems isn't the figures, COVID-19 isn't a conspiracy, it's a pandemic that is killing people and you should consider those with friends and family who have been harmed or perished before you trivialize it further.

Is that your best LP?

I saw the chart and immediately knew it was a con job as it omitted (likely by design) a dozen or so of the leading causes of death annually.

I note you don't dispute or refute the full list of causes I posted.

Your pitch refutes the data. Hard data.

Are you really a scientist? Did you fail maths at school?

Plenty of things kill us, we don't stop 'life' as we know it....the play book is well known, a pity politics got in the way.

The US? COVID is a created crisis.... IL, MA, MI, NJ, NY, PA State governors made nursing homes accept sick folk = mass deaths. Huge numbers!

The balance of US States, COVID seldom broke CDC's epidemic threshold.....

COVID is a virus that we now know can be readily managed - and contained - well it would be, but for the folk with agendas, political or otherwise.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #798 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
I saw the chart and immediately knew it was a con job as it omitted (likely by design) a dozen or so of the leading causes of death annually.

Are you really a scientist? Did you fail maths at school?
I did learn some math, I think it was called subsets.

Lucky for the USA, eh?

Let see what your Worldometer source says about that non-epidemic threshold fake fact!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Trump would probably even disown that one! :D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #799 –
Quote from: LP – on

I did learn some math, I think it was called subsets.

Get a refresher.

No comment on the efficacy of the PCR test?

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI

or even this

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30610-3

or this

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/

ps you can't really believe the peer review process has any substance surely?

As for your alleged fake fact, try here....

https://coronavirusbellcurve.com/

get back to me.





Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #800 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Get a refresher.

No comment on the efficacy of the PCR test?

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI

PCR is fine, it's infinitely better than misleading uninformed opinions proliferating the internet, and opinions of people who do not understand science and how it works!

Quote from: flyboy77 – on
https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/

You really don't get cause and effect, do you, there is no causality in your private universe?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #801 –
Quote from: LP – on

PCR is fine, it's infinitely better than misleading uninformed opinions proliferating the internet, and opinions of people who do not understand science and how it works!

You really don't get cause and effect, do you, there is no causality in your private universe?

Your responses are getting lamer and lamer.

I quote directly from the inventor of the PCR 'test' (which it isn't) but you know better....

What is your field of science by the way?

My speciality is stats and numbers in general, not in the science field, but that objective space helps me cut through the BS....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #802 –
Are you guys done?
This was inevitable.

You cannot hide from a virus forever.  Be it now or when international travel returned in earnest.  With no vaccine it was always going to come to rising case numbers.  The real question is why the lockdown?

Lockdown part one was about being prepared for the virus.  We copped that, its fine.  We now have 30 in hospital and 9 in Icu.  Thats actually not that alarming.

We are looking at over a 1000 positive cases for less than 40 in hospital.

Whilst I can appreciate the numbers if expanded out to match our population size lead to significant pressure on the health system, they have forgotten to expand out the number of positive cases with no hospitalisation by comparison which should model to a fairly mundane level of sickness.

I could have gotten the maths wrong here but I'm not sure.  At the hospital i work at there hasnt been more than 3 confirmed positive cases admitted at any one time.  The numbers are so low that they actually halved a ward with the fire doors to allow more regular patients more beds.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #803 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
My speciality is stats and numbers in general, not in the science field, but that objective space helps me cut through the BS....
 I hope you don't make a career of it! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #804 –
As an old Albury-Wodonga boy (I lived on both sides of the river many years ago) I'm wondering why they didn't start the restrictions/crossing/'border' north of Albury. The cross border traffic is considerable but most folks are just going from Albury to Wodonga or back the other way.

(Edit: Sounds like they're on to it.) :D




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #805 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As an old Albury-Wodonga boy (I lived on both sides of the river many years ago) I'm wondering why they didn't start the restrictions/crossing/'border' north of Albury. The cross border traffic is considerable but most folks are just going from Albury to Wodonga or back the other way.

(Edit: Sounds like they're on to it.) :D
 
Yep, my relatives in Echuca / Moama have stated a similar thing, closing up the river crossing was going to hurt both towns and many people were organising to slip across to one side or the other before the closure. There are people sleeping on couches and spare beds everywhere!

I bet the NSW government doesn't stop the Fisheries officers crossing the border. If they do stop them blame it on Sweden! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #806 –
Albury / Wodonga was obvious from day dot.  Pity our bloody idiot premiers don't have the first idea about geography.  Inept and incompetent

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #807 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Albury / Wodonga was obvious from day dot.  Pity our bloody idiot premiers don't have the first idea about geography.  Inept and incompetent

I have friends in Tweed Heads who had to put up with the farce of not being allowed to cross the street into Coolangatta during their border closure.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #808 –


Just about sums it up!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"