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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1770 –
Quote from: LP – on
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/signs-sweden-has-lost-faith-with-covid-expert-anders-tegnell-as-deaths-rise-20201129-p56iu2.html

A bit slow to report his, the changes started happening 3 or 4 weeks back, but once 20 and 30 year fit and healthy types started dying or being severely disabled by suffering long term effects it was all over for this immunity strategy. Once it became the sons and daughters of the decision makers some who were previous COVID deniers, attitudes changed!

The nail on naysayers and deniers completely ignore the long term symptoms of many COVID survivors, it's like the deniers can only see or understand two binary states in complete ignorance of the middle ground, you live or you die in their eyes!

While not all people suffer severe or long term effects, living through COVID is not like being guaranteed to survive in full health, there is nothing further from the truth! It looks like for every person that dies, there is at least another one who will live with long term effects, like loss of limb control or locomotion, incontinence, liver, heart disease, lung disease or mental impairment.

I understand that Sweden has constitutional provisions that won't allow them to impose lockdown measures; it has to be voluntary.

While Sweden has done poorly in comparison to their neighbours, their results are still considerably better than Belgium, the UK and the USA.  It seems that ethnic Swedes are used self-isolating and complying with requests from Government.  More recent immigrants don't have the same cultural attributes and, anecdotally at least, are bearing the brunt of COVID.

BTW, an acquaintance of mine in the UK spent 90 days in hospital and 75 of those in a coma after contracting COVID.  I suspect that his quality of life will be much poorer for the experience.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1771 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
If so much as one of these muppet tennis players brings covid to Melbourne, said player, Craig Tiley and Dictator Dan need a bullet between the eyes. >:(  >:(

Are the Pakistani cricketers due here this summer?  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1773 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Don't think so ... just India and NZ

But the Kiwis are playing Pakistan ... if the latter can get out of quarantine 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1774 –
Interesting to see that it was a police officer in Sydney who allowed the German tourists to fly out to Melbourne. Admittedly, s/he was on the 2nd day on the job but how many days on the job would you need to understand that putting a couple of possibly infected people in a plane might not be a good idea? Seems that it’s hard for people to resist sob stories or charming pleas. They need the Little Brittain “The computer says no” woman.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1775 –
Seen some ugly behaviour about today, mask deniers out and about making mask wearers feel uncomfortable.

It's not the mask deniers fault, they are thin brained types who associate masks as the root of all evil and the primary cause of their recent problems, they can't see a virus but they can see a mask. ;)

It's people like Trump that are to blame, he's burning the planet with his rhetoric, but the GOP are too scared to stop him even when it seems he is now hurting the GOP's senate election chances.

One thing that seems to have flown over the heads of the media, is Trump's recent signing of the bills relating to Chinese ownership. It's being talked up as a positive which it probably is, if it gets implemented, but nobody is asking why now, what barrier was removed that stopped Trump signing this order sooner, one made of cash I presume!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1776 –
We wont be wearing them anymore shortly anyway.

FWIW, there is no danger of transmission currently.  This may change very quickly, and I am betting that the Government actually want it to occur given this gives them a chance to wipe the egg off their faces for hotel quarantine.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1777 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We wont be wearing them anymore shortly anyway.

FWIW, there is no danger of transmission currently.  This may change very quickly, and I am betting that the Government actually want it to occur given this gives them a chance to wipe the egg off their faces for hotel quarantine.
The current situation has nothing to do with COVID, it's a behavioural issue.

The "We" part is a little presumptuous, there will be some individuals who will want to wear masks forever more just like the public do in much of Asia now. They should be free to do so without abuse, it's like choosing to be vegan and harms nobody!

The naysayers are claiming the removal of restrictions are a vindication, and that the falling numbers are also a vindication, proof that the restrictions were never needed. It's a completely back to front perspective, they completely fall to associate the falling infection rate and removal of masks as a result of the restrictions.

I saw great irony in the person who has probably rallied against wearing of masks as a restriction of liberty, rallying against peoples freedom of choice to wear a mask!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1778 –
Quote from: LP – on
I saw great irony in the person who has probably rallied against wearing of masks as a restriction of liberty, rallying against peoples freedom of choice to wear a mask!

Absolutely LP.  I reckon the 'sheeple' are the anti-maskers.

It was interesting listening to Norman Swann on the wireless this morning.  We're not out of the woods yet.  So much depends on people doing the right thing ... as well as vaccinations being available and working as intended.

BTW, Dr Swann reckons the next pandemic will be an influenza virus - something to look forward to  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1779 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Absolutely LP.  I reckon the 'sheeple' are the anti-maskers.

It was interesting listening to Norman Swann on the wireless this morning.  We're not out of the woods yet.  So much depends on people doing the right thing ... as well as vaccinations being available and working as intended.

BTW, Dr Swann reckons the next pandemic will be an influenza virus - something to look forward to  ::)
Going to have trouble convincing health workers to have the first up vaccine, quite a few nurses and hospital staff baulking at being the initial test lab rats. Some surveys were sent out and a lot came back as a No Thanks but happy to receive later
I think the UK initial distribution and side effects etc will have a large bearing on the take up here in Aus.
Most Hospitals are expecting another wave in winter and staffing requirements are already being discussed and leave applicants told there are no guarantees of being granted leave.
Some scary reading here...https://au.yahoo.com/news/india-hundreds-infected-mysterious-deadly-illness-040435270.html..
We dont want any tourists for a long while, bad enough with those two Germans here in Aus being allowed to travel by a rookie police officer with 2 days experience on the job..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1780 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Going to have trouble convincing health workers to have the first up vaccine, quite a few nurses and hospital staff baulking at being the initial test lab rats. Some surveys were sent out and a lot came back as a No Thanks but happy to receive later
I think the UK initial distribution and side effects etc will have a large bearing on the take up here in Aus.
Most Hospitals are expecting another wave in winter and staffing requirements are already being discussed and leave applicants told there are no guarantees of being granted leave.
Some scary reading here...https://au.yahoo.com/news/india-hundreds-infected-mysterious-deadly-illness-040435270.html..
We dont want any tourists for a long while, bad enough with those two Germans here in Aus being allowed to travel by a rookie police officer with 2 days experience on the job..

Interestingly, a 'lab rat' called in and spoke to Dr Swann about her experiences testing the vaccine.  She had a sore arm for a couple of days but no ill effects.

Swann was explaining how supplies of the vaccines will be limited and it will be a targeted immunisation program with health workers, aged care workers and the elderly as first cabs off the rank.  Pregnant women (or women hoping to become pregnant) and children won't get the vaccines until further testing demonstrates that they are safe for those groups.  All testing to date has been with adults and pregnant women are excluded.

It was interesting to hear how the vaccines use different pathways to counter the virus.  They are very different to the vaccines developed previously for other diseases.

By the way, the "Germans" are both Australian citizens. 

Imagine the outcry if it had happened at Melbourne Airport.  Nothing sticks to Teflon Gladys and Mr Potato Head  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1782 –
Adenovirus from chimps....
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1783 –
Most vaccines come as some sort of animal byproduct, there is a great 40min episode of Radiolab that talks about the history of vaccines, and perhaps the most successful scientist ever to create them, and what are the costs of making them.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/great_vaccinator
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1784 –
What is a vaccine?

Simple, non medical definition.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vaccine

Quote
a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes.

WHat little do we know about the Pfizer vaccine recently given to Will Shakespeare (someone's taking the piss)and another old dear in the UK?

1. It does not prevent someone from catching the virus
2. It does not prevent transmission of the virus
3. At best, it likely reduces the severity of symptoms (but then so do the HCQ and Ivermectin cocktails). Both cheap, safe and well understood.

So, in essence, it's fails the test. It ain't a vaccine.

Oh, and heard the stories about the 'vaccine' causing Bell's Palsy?
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