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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2025 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Looking like he might have got lucky with the latest outbreak and no new cases despite all the contact
that was assumed. Dan has gone from lockdown to political mode and is looking to avoid lockdowns
to win some votes. Like others I would have passed on the Tennis if I was Dan given the worldwide exposure Tennis players
and their entourage's have. Australia doesnt need to rely on vaccines if you dont let anyone in especially slack arse spoilt brat tennis players who think they are special and dont need to follow rules.

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2026 –
Quote from: LP – on
I've already addressed this in my earlier post, you assert he wasn't diligent but it's completely feasible the worker is diligent and that his good practises have stopped further transmission, and your claim is contradictory to the health officials who report the worker was in fact very diligent, a model employee, but because it doesn't suit your vaccine politics you assert he wasn't diligent because he caught it, that is a contradiction and logical absurdity.

Don't slight the worker to push your cause, boost your cause with evidence, will you ever present some?

Sorry Thry, but from the outside it looks to me like the less evidence there is for a conspiracy, the better you think the conspiracy is!
There are two valid reasons why Thry has a point about waiting and watching....the safety of the vaccine and unknown side effects as well as the effectiveness on a world scale.
Id rather see what happens when two nations who are 70-90% fully vaccinated allow travel and contact between their citizens.
What precautions do they still need to take, is quarantine still neccessary, what testing is still required, what new strains may have been created..in other words what can we learn before we jump in to vaccination and assume its all ok and open the doors.
If we keep the doors shut and look and learn we may save lives and be better placed, this idea we get the majority vaccinated and selling the idea to the public its all fixed is concerning IMO.
eg We have friends who love cruise ships and think once they are vaccinated its back on the boat, let the good times roll again
and they are safe....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2027 –
... and in front of what crowds?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2028 –
Quote from: LP – on
I've already addressed this in my earlier post, you assert he wasn't diligent but it's completely feasible the worker is diligent and that his good practises have stopped further transmission, and your claim is contradictory to the health officials who report the worker was in fact very diligent, a model employee, but because it doesn't suit your vaccine politics you assert he wasn't diligent because he caught it, that is a contradiction and logical absurdity.

Don't slight the worker to push your cause, boost your cause with evidence, will you ever present some?

Sorry Thry, but from the outside it looks to me like the less evidence there is for a conspiracy, the better you think the conspiracy is!
Quote from: LP – on
I've already addressed this in my earlier post, you assert he wasn't diligent but it's completely feasible the worker is diligent and that his good practises have stopped further transmission, and your claim is contradictory to the health officials who report the worker was in fact very diligent, a model employee, but because it doesn't suit your vaccine politics you assert he wasn't diligent because he caught it, that is a contradiction and logical absurdity.

Don't slight the worker to push your cause, boost your cause with evidence, will you ever present some?

Sorry Thry, but from the outside it looks to me like the less evidence there is for a conspiracy, the better you think the conspiracy is!

Yes, you are right.  God how could I have been so stupid to ever doubt you lp.

You truly know everything there is to know about this.

You should lead us all through this, you have all the answers.

I dont know if you've realized but the bigger and more answers you write, the less im reading.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2029 –
Just when you thought it was safe to go to Wollongong... :(

Thought I'd take a trip 'back home' for a week.
Motels booked, car booked in for a pre-travel service.

Tonight I hear that there's a positive case...and alerts are out for several venues in the Gong.
NSW Health are reacting in a way that suggests that they're not entirely confident with this case and are urging testing and isolation.

I guess its a problem many have encountered over the course of the last 12 months.

This person had been in quarantine and has tested positive on Day 16!! ...after being released on day 14.
Now hopefully their infectious period is well and truly over and there wont be further cases.
Holidays can wait, but I have many friends and family who are now a concern.

It just shows that with this virus...if you think you have a handle on it....you don't really.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2030 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I dont know if you've realized but the bigger and more answers you write, the less im reading.
As I stated my position to Flyboy77 once before, when he was posting conspiratorial social media founded rubbish, there is no chance I'll ever let that sort of thing slip by, because it's too dangerous to innocent people!

At least I've made my position clear and stand by it, arguing using whatever facts are available, not just opinion supported by opinion. I mean this whole argy-bargy started because I asked what evidence you would accept, I didn't even push that much to ask you what evidence you have to support your claims, I don't need to!

You are painting yourself @Thryleon‍, I've no need to paint or spin anything!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #2031 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
There are two valid reasons why Thry has a point about waiting and watching....the safety of the vaccine and unknown side effects as well as the effectiveness on a world scale.
I don't question that @ElwoodBlues1‍, as I stated to @Thryleon‍ getting vaccinated is a personal choice.

I don't think there is any evidence that the vaccines are unsafe, there may be a lot of social media opinion, Instagram and Facebook conspiratorial suspicions, but no reputable evidence that I can find that the vaccines aren't safe, not a skerrick.

Now almost 50M vaccine shots have been issued globally, Israel started almost 2 months ago and that is 5M people or about 50% of it's population, do you think that is not enough time or people to be building a case for or against! For me that is good enough evidence that the vaccine is safe, the reports are that where those vaccines are issued the infection and death rates are falling dramatically, for Thryleon it isn't enough. He wants more time, but more time comes at a risk also it isn't a free hit, do you think that risk of delay is a price worth paying? So I've asked a very simple question, what evidence does he require to accept that the vaccine is safe, in effect he answered nothing can be offered that can convince him! It's all there in the record of posts, or should I say isn't there in the record!

 Can you answer that same question, what evidence do you require, when will you believe the vaccines are safe?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2032 –
Read yesterday that the Germans are now considering use of the Russian vaccine (Sputnik)? May be due to supply problems for other vaccines in Europe.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2034 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Read yesterday that the Germans are now considering use of the Russian vaccine (Sputnik)? May be due to supply problems for other vaccines in Europe.
It could be about supply, there is also a lot of politics and social management happening and this might be more about economics than anything else. Under EU rules EU countries have an obligation to trade with other EU nations, it might just be Russia using it's EU position to derive income via the vaccine. It might be purchased by Germany and never used, but that clears Germany of it's EU obligation, and would perhaps allow Germany to donate the vaccine as part of it's other international obligations.

There are not many published papers available regarding the Russian vaccine, it's a closed shop, I presume to get to the point of purchase somebody reputable must be doing a formal approval somewhere.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2035 –
Quote from: LP – on
I don't question that @ElwoodBlues1‍, as I stated to @Thryleon‍ getting vaccinated is a personal choice.

I don't think there is any evidence that the vaccines are unsafe, there may be a lot of social media opinion, Instagram and Facebook conspiratorial suspicions, but no reputable evidence that I can find that the vaccines aren't safe, not a skerrick.

Now almost 50M vaccine shots have been issued globally, Israel started almost 2 months ago and that is 5M people or about 50% of it's population, do you think that is not enough time or people to be building a case for or against! For me that is good enough evidence that the vaccine is safe, the reports are where those vaccines are issued the infection and death rates are falling dramatically, for Thryleon it isn't enough. He wants more time, but more time comes at a risk also, do you think that risk of delay is a price worth paying? So I've asked a very simple question, what evidence does he require to accept that the vaccine is safe, in effect he answered nothing can be offered that can convince him! It's all there in the record of posts, or should I say isn't there in the record!

 Can you answer that same question, what evidence do you require, when will you believe the vaccines are safe?

I don't think any vaccine, ever, has been 100% safe. There are always individuals, as few as they may be, who will have an adverse reaction. I vividly recall those recruit school days at HMAS Cerberus when all us newbies had to line up for our inoculations. And the lines consisted of about 200 or so young blokes, left arms bare, ready for the jabs. There was always three or four 'fainters' and the odd one who'd end up in sick bay for a few days. And we were given 3 shots at the same time, Yellow Fever, one I've forgotten and TB. I remember feeling a little crook for a day or two. Every now and then you'd hear of a bloke who had such a bad reaction he was discharged out of the Navy into a public hospital for special care.

It's not hard to see why so many folks are still skeptical of inoculations. We live in a world where we spend half our time sorting bullshizen information from truth. Plus we have so many different psychological types with their attitudes to science... from paranoid mistrust to blind faith. Likewise, governments.

Fortunately, as mentioned previously, we do have choice. Personally, I will have my shot when available for a variety of reasons as mentioned previously. Plus, my confidence is science is somewhat boosted by the effectiveness of my own experiences in PTSD treatments etc.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2036 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yet still spread it to no one else even those he lives with?

Do you guys not understand how ridiculous this sounds even if it is plausible?

Even when it comes from the head of the international quarantine organisation?

Symptom and infection variability are features of COVID - according to the scientific literature.

For example, the latest quarantine worker to test positive has a very low viral load and is unlikely to be infectious.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2037 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I don't think any vaccine, ever, has been 100% safe.

A young woman I worked with had her daughter vaccinated against polio but it resulted in the little girl contracting a mild form of polio.  As a result, the little girl had limited use of her legs and couldn’t walk unaided.  It was heartbreaking, particularly when the father pissed off and the young woman had to give up her job to care for her daughter.

Of course, the probability of that happening is minuscule but there is always a risk.

I will be getting my COVID vaccination as soon as it’s available.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2038 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I don't think any vaccine, ever, has been 100% safe.
100% correct, like eating nuts or eggs, or driving a car.

Actually that is wrong, for in most cases a vaccine is far far safer than driving a car or eating nuts.

Quote from: Baggers – on
There was always three or four 'fainters' and the odd one who'd end up in sick bay for a few days. And we were given 3 shots at the same time, Yellow Fever, one I've forgotten and TB. I remember feeling a little crook for a day or two. Every now and then you'd hear of a bloke who had such a bad reaction he was discharged out of the Navy into a public hospital for special care.
True, but if you get zero reaction the vaccine probably isn't do anything beneficial, the reaction is the sign it is working. Of course a severe reaction is a problem as already mentioned.

Of course if the vaccines were as bad as the disease as some try to make out, you wouldn't be getting a handful of anecdotal cases, out of approximately 50M vaccinations you'd be getting tens of thousands of severe reactions. Not something anyone can hide!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2039 –
Quote from: DJC – on
For example, the latest quarantine worker to test positive has a very low viral load and is unlikely to be infectious.
Yes it's quite interesting, I read an article recently that also raised issues with the validity of the 14 day quarantine when operating rolling quarantine. People moving in or out of quarantine at different stages from the same location. The call was for quarantine in batches, but to do that effectively you need a separate isolated facility for each day of arrivals on a first in / first out basis. Is there anywhere in the world operating quarantine this way?

I did read that specific hotel floors are now being designated, the State Government is spending $M on altering ducting and airflow in these hotels, or shutting down whole floors when they share some circulation.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"