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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2070 –
Quote from: LP – on
That stat is a function of the number of cases though over the population you have to survey, isn't it?

I suspect that makes the national average a bit bogus, and I also believe there is no universal reporting standard. I think we discuss this months ago when we found out NSW was shipping infected travellers to Vic and not counting those infections in NSW. Three wise monkeys.

I'm not sure the QR code really helps unless you are certain that 100% of people use it, what you are really reporting is the number of people who used the QR code that you can trace. I was at a shopping centre two days ago, watching people entering Officeworks, I only saw one person use the QR code out of about 20 or so that entered the store, and some of that 20 were parents and children so perhaps 30 or more entered.

Why can't you just admit the other states have handled this better than us or do you think they're hiding the bodies? I'm a proud Victorian too but seriously. I went to Adelaide over Christmas and when you use their QR system for the first time it messages your phone and you confirm that it's you. It's a better system, is it full proof? Of course not but it's miles ahead of what we have here. NSW is supposed to be similar and they have been able to contain outbreaks with no major lockdowns and they have done all the heavy loading with returned travellers.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2071 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why can't you just admit the other states have handled this better than us or do you think they're hiding the bodies? I'm a proud Victorian too but seriously.
I'm not claiming they are better or worse.

I'm very cynical of The National Standard 95% figure because it is a target number not what has been achieved. The National Standard is to achieve 95% Contact Tracing, whatever that means, think about this in relation to how and when states report.

The best I can find in official reports is 85% tracing for a very limited number of cases over a short period of time, and that was for Canberra. So given 85% contact tracing is the best ever reported in Australia so far how does the country average 95%? Well it doesn't, because 95% is the target for performance not what has been achieved. In fairness, these figures lag about a month behind, but even so it's not going to be close to 95%, that number is an air swing.

Because you have reported the target value as an average, I suspect the source you got that from has also understated the achieved percentage as well, for political purposes. Otherwise why misquote the target as the average?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2072 –
Well we're at about 40% which is an epic fail by any measure.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #2073 –
Covid Death Toll

Victoria: 820
NSW: 54
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2074 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Well we're at about 40% which is an epic fail by any measure.
I'm using the Federal Health and Vic Health website for that data, it's not easy to find lots of fragments, I suppose they don't want it to be easy to avoid litigation in case they publish a wrong figure. What site does your data come from, who reports 40%?
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Data for the week to 2 February 2021
Metric
Status to report*
1. Percentage of new positive cases contacted within 24 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 6 of 6 new positive cases contacted

2. Percentage of new positive cases interviewed within 24 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 6 of 6 new positive cases interviewed

3. Percentage of known contacts notified within 48 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 23 of 23 known contacts notified
*Data is the average result for cases notified between Wednesday 27 January to Tuesday 2 February 2021.
 
Data for the week to 26 January 2021
Metric
Status to report*

1. Percentage of new positive cases contacted within 24 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 15 of 15 new positive cases contacted

2. Percentage of new positive cases interviewed within 24 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 15 of 15 new positive cases interviewed

3. Percentage of known contacts notified within 48 hours of DHHS being notified of positive result.
100% - 24 of 24 known contact notified

*Data is the average result for cases notified between Wednesday 20 January to Tuesday 26 January 2021.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2075 –
I'd be looking at the testing as much as the app or contact tracing......

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2076 –
The big question is really, 40% or 100% of what?

It changes with politics and perspective!

Dan is Labour, Feds are Liberal, why would they both report 100% tracing over the last fortnight?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2077 –
And I don't have the slightest doubt that many many thousands DON'T have mobiles at all or phones capable of handling QR.  
 

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Reply #2078 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'd be looking at the testing as much as the app or contact tracing......
If you have near zero infections, and yet you test thousands and thousands, the figures are going to look great! ;D
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2079 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'd be looking at the testing as much as the app or contact tracing......


The whole end to end system including including people, processes and technology needs to be properly integrated in order to work effectively and efficiently. I seriously doubt that this has successfully been achieved as yet.
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Reply #2080 –
Quote from: capcom – on
And I don't have the slightest doubt that many many thousands DON'T have mobiles at all or phones capable of handling QR. 
In the area near where I work, the major shopping centre and one of the previous centres of a hotspot, the elderly that proliferate the centre for free air-conditioning on hot days do not even trust credit cards!
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Reply #2081 –
They had a crisis meeting last night because contact tracers said on Tuesday they were only able to trace 30 something of 70 something. I can't recall the actual figure but it is about 40% and it's the reason why you won't be allowed to leave your house tomorrow.
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Reply #2082 –
The only thing delaying the announcement is the tennis. How will people react if the tennis goes ahead and we're in lockdown?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2083 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
They had a crisis meeting last night because contact tracers said on Tuesday they were only able to trace 30 something of 70 something. I can't recall the actual figure but it is about 40% and it's the reason why you won't be allowed to leave your house tomorrow.

The cynic in me states that we wont lock down during the Aus open.

Imagine the pandemonium that would follow if we did.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2084 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
They had a crisis meeting last night because contact tracers said on Tuesday they were only able to trace 30 something of 70 something. I can't recall the actual figure but it is about 40% and it's the reason why you won't be allowed to leave your house tomorrow.
What is the source of the figures?

Who is the They and who reports it?
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