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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2790 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'd question the effectiveness of the present Astraz vs the variants , its one thing talking about Blood Clots and the risks but
its not proven against the variants at all and the " its better than nothing approach" doesnt encourage people to have a vaccine that is already under the microscope.
I think this is an old assertion that is being rehashed in the anti-AstraZeneca media. I think it was a Canadian group that debugged those claims by donating hundreds of thousands of doses to 3rd World locations then collected the efficacy data against all variants.

The last summary I heard was that it's proven equally effective as Pfizer, J&J and Moderna against the variants in Sth America and Sth Africa.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2791 –
Quote from: DJC – on
This is an ongoing study following the AstraZeneca rollout in the UK.  It’s not conclusive but it suggests that AstraZeneca is very effective.


What does "effective" mean? How is it assessed? What are the benchmarks, the baselines?

On adverse events in the UK?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/987647/Coronavirus_vaccine_-_summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_12.05.21.pdf

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As of 12 May 2021, for the UK, 58,065 Yellow Cards have been reported for the Pfizer/BioNTech
vaccine, 175,057 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 1,462 for the
COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 639 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not
specified.

So, given 23.9 million doses, and 175k adverse events for the AZ vaccine, that is 73 adverse events for every 10000 jabs.

Further:

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The MHRA has received 374 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in
which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 786 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine
AstraZeneca, 4 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 16 where the brand of vaccine was
unspecified.

786 deaths shortly after the AZ jab,

Good luck.

And for what - a virus very much like its predecessor and extremely treatable EARLY - Ivermectin or HCQ protocols (and a few others to boot).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410805/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxmhvZ6eEI4&t=2s

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2792 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
And for what - a virus very much like its predecessor and extremely treatable EARLY - Ivermectin or HCQ protocols (and a few others to boot).
Now beyond doubt proven completely useless against COVID.

However, Ivermectin / HCG combination is more likely to kill the recipient due to a very specific form of heart arrhythmia that happens in about 10x as many patients as can be expected to get a severe AstraZeneca side effect. An effect being reported in several combinations that combine HCQ with either an antiviral or antibiotic.

What officially is a Yellow Card?
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"The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event."

 


"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2793 –
Quote from: LP – on
No beyond doubt proven completely useless against COVID.

But Ivermectin / HCG combination is more likely to kill the recipient due to a very specific form of heart arrhythmia that happens in about 10x as many patients as can be expected to get a severe AstraZeneca side effect. An effect being reported in several combinations that combine HCQ with either an antiviral or antibiotic.

you are clueless.

No one has suggested a combination (that comments exceeds stupidity).

10x comment is an abject lie - unsupported by anything but your hubris.

Of course, any medication can be bad for some people with certain existing pre conditions.

That's why doctors do what doctors do....  :-X

https://c19ivermectin.com/

The studies are in, you're off the pace - again.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

Have a great evening LP.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2794 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
you are clueless.

No one has suggested a combination (that comments exceeds stupidity).

10x comment is an abject lie - unsupported by anything but your hubris.

Of course, any medication can be bad for some people with certain existing pre conditions.

That's why doctors do what doctors do....  :-X

https://c19ivermectin.com/

The studies are in, you're off the pace - again.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

Have a great evening LP.
Ironic that you accuse me of posting redundant info, given what you have offered has now been disproved by multiple large scale studies across several different countries. So I doubt you can rain on anything with fake facts and worthless outdated claims.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2795 –
Quote from: LP – on
Ironic that you accuse me of posting redundant info, given what you have offered has now been disproved by multiple large scale studies across several different countries. So I doubt you can rain on anything with fake facts and worthless outdated claims.


Put them up - going to cite the Recovery Study?

You're full of hot air.

two tips:

1. don't give near lethal dosages to patients

2. don't give an anti viral to patients once full viral replication has already occurred.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2796 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Put them up - going to cite the Recovery Study?

You're full of hot air.

two tips:

1. don't give near lethal dosages to patients

2. don't give an anti viral to patients once full viral replication has already occurred.
Your assertions aren't based in any truth, HCQ has been evaluated as both a prophylactic and as a treatment and been found exactly worthless on it's own on both counts. It general results are so poor some specialists are questioning how it was ever approved in the first place!

Patients who are ill with COVID develop secondary infections, some already have infections when they contract COVID, not giving them combinatory medications isn't an option. It just needs to be a safe combination and HCQ isn't part of it.

Ironically, the lethal side-effects of HCQ in combination with other medicines was known long before COVID, but ignored by it's COVID boosters. If it offered some real world benefit it might still be offered just as is a vaccine that can have rare deadly side-effects, but HCQ isn't going to be offered by other than illegal pushers of dodgy internet dealings. Brazil and India say hello!

This HCQ stuff, you bang on about it so much I think you protest a bit too much, it isn't another bet you got wrong is it, do you have a garage full?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2798 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/22/world-expert-in-scientific-misconduct-faces-legal-action-for-challenging-integrity-of-hydroxychloroquine-study
Dr Didier Raoult cases seems vexatious, he was one of the primary boosters for HCQ in Europe and has gone hard at many who call out the rather thin evidence and questionable methods used to derive his conclusions.

Not satisfied to profit from his claims, He seems to have rallied a fanatical US supporter base to threaten whistle-blowers all around the globe. In some cases his group of supporters has been caught publishing the whistle-blower's private address as an intimidation, followed up with the obligatory death threats.

There is some nice coverage of this recently in The Science Friction podcast.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/sciencefriction/troublemakers-covid-science-research-integrity/13344772
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2799 –
Quote from: LP – on
Dr Didier Raoult cases is vexatious, he was the primary booster for HCQ in Europe and has gone hard at anyone who calls out the rather thin evidence and questionable methods used to come to his conclusions.

Not satisfied to profit from his claims, he's rallied a fanatical US supporter base to threaten whistle-blowers all around the globe. In some cases his group of supporters has been caught publishing the whistle-blower's private address as an intimidation, followed up with the obligatory death threats.

There is some nice coverage of this recently in The Science Friction podcast.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/sciencefriction/troublemakers-covid-science-research-integrity/13344772

It's pretty seedy, litigious behaviour from a doctor / scientist. The sort of behaviour that should make one feel immediately uncomfortable and suspicious

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2800 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's pretty seedy, litigious behaviour from a doctor / scientist. The sort of behaviour that should make one feel immediately uncomfortable and suspicious
The podcast is well worth listening to, it seems there may be a prior history of this behaviour that should have been a warning, but Raoult's claims were championed by Trump and Bolsonaro.

The podcast is well worth a listen, the links below are even more valuable if you are so inclined.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2801 –
Quote from: LP – on
The podcast is well worth listening to, it seems there may be a prior history of this behaviour that should have been a warning, but Raoult's claims were championed by Trump and Bolsonaro.

The podcast is well worth a listen, the links below are even more valuable if you are so inclined.

Thanks.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2802 –
Just for clarity, 175,057 "yellow card" cases have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in the UK after 23.9M first doses and 9.0M second doses.  Yellow card reports are not necessarily side effects of the vaccine but may be episodes that would have occurred regardless of vaccination. If all of those yellow card cases were related to vaccination, they would represent 0.53% of vaccinations.

Yellow card cases following AstraZeneca vaccination include injection-site tenderness, injection-site pain, headache, fatigue, myalgia, malaise, pyrexia (fever), chills, arthralgia, and nausea. The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination (my experience was injection-site tenderness, old aches and pains returning and malaise for a day - I often suffer from malaise, particularly after my footy team loses.).

Given that 127,500 people have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test, you can see why folk are more than happy to have any of the vaccines.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2803 –
We have both had the first AstreZeneca shot with no problems at all.

The time is coming that you wont be allowed on aircraft, buses and in most shops if you can't produce
proof of having the needles.
I spent most of my money on Women and grog.
The rest I just wasted.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2804 –
An oldy but a goody!

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"