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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2895 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
I'm far from right wing you clown. but nice try.

Put up some substance rather than rhetoric....

Which facts don't I like?
I’ll get you to do a bit of homework: list the (alleged) facts you claim were orange man rubbish and then I’ll tell you which you don’t like.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2896 –
You're not even funny.

Let's switch back to the real world.

Days ago, a family in Warrnambool lost their 8yo son (by drowning) at a school camp. 400 odd km from Melbourne. Zero virus out there....

The government denied their request to have more than 10 people at the lad's funeral.

Meanwhile, builders keep building (in the hot spot here in the city), footy players keep playing footy, etc.

I have an 8yo son. Who just returned from his first camp.

GAGF. If you can't acknowledge all this BS is political.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2897 –
Could you imagine Mav's rants on here if Scomo or Abbott ordered  lockdowns like this?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2898 –
I think we read here the genuine variations in the capacity of some individuals to deal with life's variations, this lockdown being one of them. I feel sorry for them, but as I've written before nobody must allow their confused rhetoric to go unchallenged.

It's the confused rhetoric they broadcast that feeds the vaccine hesitancy by placing fears and doubts in the thoughts of otherwise reasonable people.

As for Ivermectin, it only works treating viral infections in a very small number of cases, and it has very little efficacy in prevention and no long term immunity is delivered to the recipient, and to achieve the short term a users must take tablets costing $10-$15 each weekly for a maximum course of four tablets over about a month. Ivermectin's manufacturer recommend a complex brew of complementary medicines to ensure a result in that treatment window. But they cannot stay on it because it brings toxic side effects that will eventually cause more harm than good to the long term user That is the huge flaw in the Ivermectin argument. Wrongly many claim a single tablet is needed once a year, but that is a confusion of a regime for treatment fungal skin infections when used in conjunction with corticoid steroids.

A $2 vaccine gives 70% efficacy after 14 days, that is about 300% improvement over using Ivermectin as a preventative even if users could stay on it at $10 - $15 per week.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2899 –
I'm getting the Pfizer now that I can (now that 40+ can get it). Why would I have rushed to get an inferior vaccine like astra? Like everyone I work with we had to wait 2 weeks after our flu shot.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2900 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
You're not even funny.

Let's switch back to the real world.

Days ago, a family in Warrnambool lost their 8yo son (by drowning) at a school camp. 400 odd km from Melbourne. Zero virus out there....

The government denied their request to have more than 10 people at the lad's funeral.

Meanwhile, builders keep building (in the hot spot here in the city), footy players keep playing footy, etc.

I have an 8yo son. Who just returned from his first camp.

GAGF. If you can't acknowledge all this BS is political.
You really are a scumbag. Trying to claim you’re somehow in the shoes of a family who’ve suffered unspeakable tragedy because you have an 8 yo who returned from camp and using that to push your political views. My God, can you get any lower. Newsflash, many of us have kids who went on camp in recent years.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2901 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Could you imagine Mav's rants on here if Scomo or Abbott ordered  lockdowns like this?
Wrong. I’m in favour of lockdowns to buy time for vaccinations/contact-tracing. It’s the vaccination stuff-up that rankles.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2902 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I'm getting the Pfizer now that I can (now that 40+ can get it). Why would I have rushed to get an inferior vaccine like astra? Like everyone I work with we had to wait 2 weeks after our flu shot.
 There is no difference in the two vaccines, the social media assertions and political positions are bogus and unsupported by the statistics.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2903 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Thanks for the condescension. Data assessment is my area of expertise...

Call BS as much as you want, but if like LP, you can't be bothered reading the studies, don't waste my time...

https://c19ivermectin.com/

Condescension...

I haven't bothered with that.

Give ivermectin a go for a year amd come tell me after how you're feeling.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2904 –
All the numerous statistics I have seen have the Pfizer at around 80% effective and the Astra Z at 60% effective. Both work well but one is clearly superior.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2905 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Condescension...

I haven't bothered with that.

Give ivermectin a go for a year amd come tell me after how you're feeling.

Pathetic.

Have you read even one study? I doubt it.

Pathetic.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2906 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Pathetic.

Have you read even one study? I doubt it.

Pathetic.

I read the link you posted.  Ive read numerous links you've posted.

The only one being condescending is you.

Pathetic.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2907 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
The government denied their request to have more than 10 people at the lad's funeral.

Purely in isolation, that decision was disgusting regardless of who made it.

Zero humanity.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2908 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
All the numerous statistics I have seen have the Pfizer at around 80% effective and the Astra Z at 60% effective. Both work well but one is clearly superior.

https://theconversation.com/im-over-50-and-hesitant-about-the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-should-i-wait-for-pfizer-161283

"Although phase 3 clinical trial data indicated the AstraZeneca vaccine had an efficacy of around 70%, new real-world data from the United Kingdom tells us it could be as much as 85%-90% effective in protecting against symptomatic COVID-19.

This is positive news and not far off the 95% figure for the Pfizer vaccine seen in clinical trials and in the real world."

If I was given a choice, I'd probably choose the Pfizer, but the differences, if any exist, are so minor that it's barely worth worrying about IMO.

The situation is evolving so rapidly, it's hard to keep up. We are in the early changes of a long game with covid, and how the various vaccines fare over the long term could be very different to the current state of play.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2909 –
And remember that reduction in infection isn’t the only important metric. If a particular vaccine eliminates death or serious damage after infection then the % reduction of infections becomes less important.

And if a vaccine prevents someone from infecting others even if it fails to avoid infection in the patient, that’s a big result too.

I’m not saying AZ can boast those qualities as I haven’t kept up with the latest studies.