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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3960 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Gladys calling for the vaccination program to be ‘refocused’. Does that mean redirecting vaccine supplies to Sydney?
Do you sense the shift in blame?

They are softly / indirectly claiming the Sydney problem is the fault of the Feds and general public for not being vaccinated, and nothing to do with the lack of NSW State Gov action. "We tried to help you, but we couldn't because of the Feds, or because you wouldn't be helped or help yourself, so now it's everybody's problem!"

FFS, just a week or so ago responding to a question from a reporter about the relative lack of action / lockdown in NSW compared to Vic, Gladys implied Victoria was negligent and acted / overreacted inappropriately! She was still trying to paint NSW as the gold standard, I saw that as placing a bet in case good fortune favoured the path they had chosen, .............. but she lost and with her we all lost because she was betting with everybody's welfare not just the welfare of NSW!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3961 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Probably. They need to get it under control in NSW or we will ALL suffer the consequences.
It's going to happen anyway, those statements are just laying the political groundwork to obfuscate blame.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3962 –
Politicians are simply not geared to engineer positive outcomes to emergencies.   But hey, don't worry, climate change is the priority.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3963 –
So here are some observations that I can state with some confidence after watching SPF's video (this might come across a bit anti vax, but bear with me and look past that, because its apparent vaccinations are going to on balance of scales, achieve better outcomes rather than worse with one question mark which Ill arrive at towards the end).

1.  Vaccinations or not, the worst of this is still ahead of us as a nation. 

2.  Lockdowns and restrictions to daily life are largely a necessary evil and will only be more severe and restrictive in the future.

3.  Vaccinations are absolutely going to look like a worse outcome in the short term, because its clear to see that any side effects we are having are going to outweigh the infections, and hospitalisation (at least in the short term) as a result of covid, simply because of a numbers game.  The only way that relationship flips, is if we let it rip.

4.  Vaccination is going to protect you better than not being protected (unless it hurts you).

5.   There is still a very real possibility, that once we get a fair way down this journey, the evolution of Covid could be horrendous and we are worse off.

I think its important that people do what they need to in order to protect themselves, and their loved ones.  I dont think covid is going away, and this thing is here to stay with the only real question mark being how bad is this going to get (and news flash, we have only just scratched the surface of this one as a nation).

I think the coming winter in the UK is going to be the most illuminating part of this as we are roughly 2 years behind the rest of the world with this, and anyone who tells you they know how this is going to pan out, is largely talking out of their backsides.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3964 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
3.  Vaccinations are absolutely going to look like a worse outcome in the short term, because its clear to see that any side effects we are having are going to outweigh the infections, and hospitalisation (at least in the short term) as a result of covid, simply because of a numbers game.  The only way that relationship flips, is if we let it rip.

4.  Vaccination is going to protect you better than not being protected (unless it hurts you).
The problem I have with this #3 perspective is that it is basically stated in ignorance of the flip side of the actions of any vaccine, that is keeping hospitalisation numbers low by reducing / preventing severe disease.

It's a weird sort of an argument, like claiming you can use a gun to stop the enemy killing you, like the cause and event is unidirectional.

It's an argument that you virtually contradict in point #4, but that also is asymmetrical because #4 without explicitly stating it implies the risk from the vaccine and Sars-CoV-2 is equal or proportional, but it isn't.

I think as Mav, Baggers or DJC pointed out before, the correct way to look at this what would be the outcome of 6 Million COVID cases versus 6 Million vaccinations. It's a fair question and a very fair comparison to make, because without vaccination we will eventually get to 6 Million COVID cases based on current Sars-CoV-2 virality, it would only be a matter of time. Should we do that math based on global averages?

Actually, I've heard the #3 argument before, .............. it's a dressed up something like the NRA claiming more guns will mean less crime, where they completely ignore the criminal effects of having more guns available?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3965 –
Binchicken is a snake and has gotten lucky too many times (Ruby princess, etc) and hopefully this is it.

she is doing a good job of saying it's the FEd's fault now and even the language of Chant 'National emergency' - ah ha - so you were both sniping Vic from the sidelines our long lockdown last year and Binchicken even had the audacity to be smug about Vic's success last week or the week before, and now oh it's a national emergency? not your incompetency? nor your no guts to actually do what needed to be done to reign it in before numbers exploded?

HOpefully the good of this will see her and scumo fighting, pair of dirty rats. 

How is anyone still saying Scumo is doing a good job, it is bewildering.  he and binchicken have both ridden a wave of luck and i cant believe people aren't seeing thru their bullcrap.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3967 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://theconversation.com/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug-164627
Sell your shares, if you're an investor it's yet another failed bet.

Bad luck for those selling boot loads of the fake stuff from gymnasium carparks, getting some comeuppance like the bog roll hoarders! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3969 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.smh.com.au/national/unqualified-and-dishonest-the-experts-who-undermined-confidence-in-astrazeneca-will-cost-australians-lives-20210722-p58c1f.html
Thanks for the link @PaulP‍.

Yet it feels a bit dishonest also for the SMH crew to now be reporting from this perspective, it reads like an "I didn't do it!" moment.

Not sure if anyone agrees, but I've sensed a shift in the Fairfax position once Delta started showing up as impacting younger victims. News Ltd resisted longer, but now even the far right commentators are swinging.

Not that the News Ltd people do it with any significant amount of empathy or community mindedness. Paraphrasing Andrew Bolt for example, he is now basically stating "Let's all get vaccinated so we can throw open the flood gates for the naysayers to suffer their chosen fate and perish!" This is the guy that spent months telling us Sars-CoV-2 wasn't as bad as the annual flu, now he's asking us to let it loose so it can kill everybody who is keeping us in lockdown.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3970 –
On the political side of things, as dissatisfied as we are with the actions of many and hold an expectation for change, history tends to favour incumbents in times of plague, pestilence and conflict.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3971 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.smh.com.au/national/unqualified-and-dishonest-the-experts-who-undermined-confidence-in-astrazeneca-will-cost-australians-lives-20210722-p58c1f.html
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Proof of the strategy appeared to be in the pudding.
>:(

OMG, has a saying ever been more mangled? The proof is never in the pudding unless police are investigating whether a poisoned pudding did someone in. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3972 –
Quote from: Mav – on
>:(

OMG, has a saying ever been more mangled? The proof is never in the pudding unless police are investigating whether a poisoned pudding did someone in. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Come on @Mav‍ you have to love a twice mangled mixed metaphorical tautology, nothing is better than embedding a tongue twister into the proof.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3974 –
I love how some sayings degenerate over time.

Everyone knows the saying, “The exception proves the rule.” It’s used by people to suggest that a few instances that defy the rule make the rule more credible. But it actually means that if you exclude things inconsistent with the rule in the statement of the rule, you end up with a rule that you can show to be true. So “With the exception of some marsupials, mammals don’t lay eggs” is true and useful (unless I’ve missed some others).

An even better example is, “All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?” :D

Funny how things end up meaning the opposite ...