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8 year old with a burst appendix turned away from a well known public hospital because the ED was full of covid patients vaxxed and unvaxxed plus vaccine effect patients both real and the over anxious variety.
Told to go to the RCH who duly saved the child but it was close..
If we open up in crazy fashion and get a mass uptake in cases it's going to result in non covid fatalities as the health system will be over whelmed..

Let's not cast uncertainty here, it's most likely the vast bulk of patients in the ED requiring serious care were unvaccinated, statistically the figure has been as high as 85% of ED patients are not vaccinated.

I can't think of a better argument for being vaccinated than that little girl and others like her, I suppose some don't care because she's not their own, so she is not their problem!

It's never just been about COVID patients, it always been about what the system can handle in total, relative to potential exponential growth in COVID cases.

Perhaps you could direct that comment to anti-vaxxers who, not content with having their views, seek to harm the general community with their actions.

I suggest that people holding " freedom marches" without wearing masks, deliberately making vaccination appointments with no intention of attending, and, on a personal note, a group forcing the closure of a local eye surgery last Thursday by refusing to wear masks, are the ones contributing to the social divide.

Possible implications of mandatory vaccination

Mandatory vaccination has significant implications for human rights and the nature of government power which need to be clearly understood. For a start, it has implications for the nature of consent, which is the centrepiece of our society’s public sexual morality. This norm dictates that sexual activity must only be engaged in with each party’s free and willing consent. Section 10(c) of the Charter Act mirrors this by stating that a person must not be subjected to medical treatment without his or her full, free, and informed consent.

Despite this clear requirement for free consent, the foreshadowed vaccine mandate means any person working in Victoria will need to be vaccinated, regardless of their personal views, subject to the threat of losing one’s livelihood if a person fails to comply. This arguably poses an alarming precedent. Does this mean that reluctant compliance given under sufferance is now sufficient to constitute consent? Does consent now include compliance under the threat of harm?

Bodily autonomy is another highly important value in the modern West. The concept of autonomy dictates that all people are free to deal with their bodies as they wish, free from control or coercion by another, and underlies such things as abortion and transgender rights. However, if a person can be forced against his or her will to be vaccinated for the common good, does this signal an erosion of bodily autonomy?

Mandatory vaccination signals that there is no area of life exempt from political and governmental control. Even fundamental questions of human autonomy and bodily integrity are now subject to regulation by the state — in this case, by executive order.

Finally, compulsory vaccination treats the decision as to whether to be vaccinated or not as a decision that needs to be made on our behalf by others. Every problem in society is a technocratic problem for governments and experts to solve. This effectively infantilises the population, treating people as if they cannot be trusted to make responsible decisions. And yet democracy is predicated on the principle of popular sovereignty, the idea that parliamentarians and the government are elected by and accountable to the people. We can be trusted to determine who will govern us but not fundamental questions of our own bodily integrity.

Many will agree with compulsory vaccination, but this sets a precedent of government control which is unlikely to stop with vaccination.

Benjamin Saunders is a Senior Lecturer at Deakin Law School.

Vaxxed patients get symptoms and run to ERs too, chest pains mean ECGs and blood tests from over anxious just vaxxed are clogging up the system.
Vaxxed patients don't die but still clog the system when they present to ED with a runny nose and want reassurance.

Chalk up another win for anti-vaxxer disinformation ...

How do you educate someone who doesn't watch those interviews but instead binge-watches antivax propaganda promoted by algorithms whose sole aim is to keep people engaged with its site's content?

Child comes first

That made me wonder about the triage system!

I took a brief hiatus because of one vitriolic poster who seems very disconnected from the real world.  Irrespective, I decided that taking a stop from the forum was a break I needed, but you dont make an impact sitting on the sidelines.