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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #30
Last 5 min of the 2nd qtr killed. After we really controlled alot of it we allowed them to kick 4 goals.

On the inside we are good as anyone. It's keeps us in big games. We been trained for years to play inside defensively hence we have become terrible on the outside. We'll be middle of the road this year, which will be an improvement, but until we can learn to cut sides up on the outside to give easy ball in our 50 going higher will be harder. Skills suddenly improve when you go into the 50 much more easily as there's space.  Maybe even Dow, who's use makes one cringe at times. The likes of Dow and O'Brien aren't suited to our game style. We smacked Richmond on the inside but when they got out they cut us up through the corridor. That was the game difference right there.
we had 6 more I50's than them, just saying.
2017 - Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Harder, Smarter. #ruthless
2018 - Could be a long year...
2019 - The Empire Strikes Back
2020 - No more BS, no more excuses, it's time.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #31
Cry me a river.

Yes Dow shouldn't play 1s for a long time. Poor draft pick, time will tell.

Newnes will get better as he gels, and he was NOT GOING TO BE DELISTED.

It would have been very weird out there - we were nowhere in the first quarter AND the umpires reamed us.

If we had converted a few more of the easy chances and not given them so many freebies, well. It's a game of inches.

On the umps, how many times did the umps let things play on when they were tackled - aren't you required to make an effort to dispose of the ball any more?

13 tackles in H1 says everything about where we were mentality.

44 points in one quarter - done and dusted.

Yet, we got back to what? 15 and had a chance to then kick another?

We kicked 8 from free kicks, is that umps reaming them?
2017 - Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Harder, Smarter. #ruthless
2018 - Could be a long year...
2019 - The Empire Strikes Back
2020 - No more BS, no more excuses, it's time.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #32
We kicked 8 from free kicks, is that umps reaming them?

We will never win a game with umpires continually killing us. The favoritism given to Richmond was plain to see.
It's hard enough to win a game with our lack of skills let alone fighting the umps all the way as well.
ONCE UPON A TIME CARLTON WAS CALLED MIGHTY!
RUMOR HAS IT WE USE TO BE GOOD!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #33
There was very little speed on show from Dow last night, in fact I was shocked by the lack of it, at one stage SoJ ran past him! Dow rarely put in an effort when chasing, yet we know if in the clear he has some speed, when SoJ runs past you............!

Dow's a luxury item, another Lang type, a bloke who can do something terrific but only 10% of the time, we need 24x7 types, so at this stage I think he's superfluous to our needs and should go!

We know he has that in spades. We just don't see it.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #34
Your joking about Murphy right? I lost count of the times he either turned it over or made the dumbest decision I have ever seen him make. Got the the footy but butchered it a hell of a lot. I dont expect it from a 268 gamer. We need our experienced blokes to be clean and composed.

The thing with Murphy is that he can try and be a bit 'too cute' with the ball. He is very skillful and some of his delivery was top notch. It was far from the perfect game from him, but we could do worse with more of him in the midfield. If blokes like Dow and LOB stood up, we could afford to keep him permanently on the outside (wing, half forward) and give him more time. But we don't..

Our kicking inside 50 was largely hit and hope, but on a few occasions Murphy lowered his eyes and found a teammate. Not many other players can say the same from last night so credit where credit is due.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #35
we had 6 more I50's than them, just saying.

Simple Inside 50's are soooooo much different to quality inside 50s. As we saw last night. Difference in the game right there. Because they are so much better on the outside. They cut us with that through the corridor. There forever was space in their forward 50, where ours were bombs in there.

Forget the raw numbers.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #36
Setterfield and Dow will go down as very very poor decisions and Silvagni wears that.  The Simpson or Daisy decision was also dumb.  Kade should have given it away.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #37
Simple Inside 50's are soooooo much different to quality inside 50s. As we saw last night. Difference in the game right there. Because they are so much better on the outside. They cut us with that through the corridor. There forever was space in their forward 50, where ours were bombs in there.

Forget the raw numbers.
It so much easier to play like Richmond does when you can push every opponent fair and square in the back and not be penalised, they have become so use to doing it and getting away with it, that they take immediate offence whenever an umpire pings them for doing it! Are whingers are winners, is that why they get away with it!

Richmond have two critical techniques that help them win games;

 - Play on Richmond

Dimma(Just let em play!!!!) has bashed the umpires so much in the media, along the way inciting the aggressive Nthmond fans to support his perspective, that the umpires are now scared to penalise them. This manifests itself as alllowing all Nthmond players to push opponents in the back, or dive on the football, and not be penalised, they can even play on after a mark and you'll be given a 50m if you try to tackle them. If you touch a Nthmond player, even if the umpires perceive you thinking about touching a Nthmond player, the whistle goes off. Last night someone commented that an umpires whistle appeared to go off before any contact was even made, surely that is a broadcast audio bug!

 - The Richmond Release

Most of us call it a throw, players from most clubs in the AFL get penalised for doing it, but Nthmond do not and they have taken it to a whole new penalty free level!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #38
We kicked 8 from free kicks, is that umps reaming them?

We got pinged for a throw at least a couple of times. They did not.
We got done holding the ball with blokes laying on our back. They got a free for in the back.
Their first couple of goals were from dubious free kicks, so it went both ways. (first was a 50m for too close to the kicker)
50-50 deliberate calls went their way.
Dusty shouldve given a 50m penalty away, but its dusty so its ok.
Almost every free kick they got for tackling us included at least one arm across the head during the tackle - Murphy (x2) and Curnow come to mind.

Yes we got a few too, but a lot of those came when we were 50points down.....not when the game was on the line.
At least 1 free kick that we got a goal out of was when we had the ball anyway - Jack Silvagnis mark comes to mind.

Umpiring was average and changed the course of the game early.......and again to almost let us back in it...but finally to keep us out of it.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #39
Simple Inside 50's are soooooo much different to quality inside 50s. As we saw last night. Difference in the game right there. Because they are so much better on the outside. They cut us with that through the corridor. There forever was space in their forward 50, where ours were bombs in there.

Forget the raw numbers.

Raw numbers or not, i think its part of our game plan.

Teague wants to be able to get the ball inside 50 and keep it there.....he said as much pre-game.
So what do we do? Go long inside 50 towards the boundary so the defenders hit it over the line. Tada the ball is inside 50 and we have a stoppage. We setup our wall outside 50 and we lock it in. We got what we wanted.

If only we had some decent forwards to help mark the ball (Curnow, Harry), or crumb it (Eddie) and we'd be able to turn those entries into scores a bit easier.

I'm encouraged by what i saw last night.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #40
Anyone will smack us if we turn the ball over so easily (thoughtlessly) as we did in H1 - most of the time under little or no pressure.

And 13 tackles in the half - we weren't switched on....at all.

And they were ALL guilty of it.


Lack of pressure hurt. Allowed them to move the ball alot more easily. Even then we were talking 15 points later in the last qtr.

I assume that aspect will improve but we have to get better ourselves on the outside otherwise we'll be middle of the road.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #41
Raw numbers or not, i think its part of our game plan.

Teague wants to be able to get the ball inside 50 and keep it there.....he said as much pre-game.
So what do we do? Go long inside 50 towards the boundary so the defenders hit it over the line. Tada the ball is inside 50 and we have a stoppage. We setup our wall outside 50 and we lock it in. We got what we wanted.

If only we had some decent forwards to help mark the ball (Curnow, Harry), or crumb it (Eddie) and we'd be able to turn those entries into scores a bit easier.

I'm encouraged by what i saw last night.

So was I but we have to learn to get it in there faster. We'd score more easily and would add an extra dimension to our game

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #42
Raw numbers or not, i think its part of our game plan.
I think it's doomed to fail if you are relying on the likes of Dow to chase down an opponent and lock the footy inside F50.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #43
Kreuzer going down early, along with the tigers fast start, put the result beyond doubt from the get go.

That being said, 50 points down at one point had people reaching for the remote, but i doubt anyone thought we would get it back to within striking distance.

Cripps and Doc did what we'd hope them to do. We're on the right track with them in charge.
Murphy+Ed haven't fallen off the cliff in terms of performance just yet.
Walsh was good enough.
Thats our core group performing at an acceptable level.

Weitering and Jones did well, the former was excellent.
Plowman can hold his head up IMO. Considering he had Dusty for large parts, he was not beaten as often as anyone else on the ground would've been in similar circumstances.
SPS should be played off Half back for the next 10 years. Elite disposal coming out of defence.

Our backline was relatively solid....as we'd expected from the team sheet.

Now to the forwardline....or should i say the Jack Attack.
'Jack's kicked 7 goals between them tonight.
Obviously Jack Martin was elite and exceeded most peoples expectations......and we got him for nothing thanks to SOS.
Jack Silvagni kicked 2 and should've had a 3rd (but it was gifted to someone else) as usual, tried hard.
Finally Jack Newnes managed to kick a nice long goal. More impressive IMO was his hardness and willing to stand up for his new teammates. His smarts to draw a free kick is much needed as well. Hopefully others see what i've seen in him thus far and why i've been pumping up his tires. Fills a need in our list - mature player who you can back in to play week in week out

...and cannot forget Casboult. Asked to lift after Kreuzer went down and held his end up. Kicked 2 as well.

We'll gain some confidence from that game for the season. Hopefully we get a bit of luck with injuries from here.



SPS was good but none of our smaller type defenders actually defend... Tiger smalls ripped us apart and were allowed too much space.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #44
23 tackles is putrid even if you add 20% on to make it 29.

Our tackling average last year was 63. The lowest team in the comp was 57.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!