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Re: Carlton End Alignment With Northern Blues.

Reply #15 –
The number of "coaches" is past the point of absurd and diminishes the authority of the senior guy .... it resembles the growth in public service do nothing paper shufflers.

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Reply #16 –
A sad demise of a VFA powerhouse.  The local derbies at Bell or Cramer Streets were always good contests, regardless of ladder positions.

I was less on edge watching the derby when it was at the City Oval in Bell Street  ::)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: capcom – on
The number of "coaches" is past the point of absurd and diminishes the authority of the senior guy .... it resembles the growth in public service do nothing paper shufflers.
Or, with so many to spare, they can be used as falls guys taking the blame for your own ineptitude!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #18 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its a return to the good old days (thank fark). Was listening to Ross Lyon talk about a recent coaching experience, he talked about when he coached the International Rules team, he said there was him, Clarkson (I think) and one ther coach and one IT guy. Thats it. He reckons they all commented about how much purer it was. Know I bet you will all moan and groan but I 110% agree with this. All we have done is copied the NFL (utterly crape game for mine) model for coaching numbers, the game is none the better IMHO.

As for drafting players with big tanks, atheletic abilities but cant kick a footy to save themselves, we are a prime example of this.


OFFENSE
Offensive coordinator
Quarterbacks coach
Running backs coach
TIght end coach
Wide receiver coach
Offensive line coach
DEFENSE
Defensive line coach
Linebackers coach
Defensive backs coach
SPECIAL TEAMS
Special teams coach

The NFL is different because they have positional coaches. As each position needs to be taught a completely different set of skills to another one.
Some blokes will touch it 99% of all plays they are on the ground
Some blokes will never touch a football in their whole career.
Some blokes the ball will only ever touch their hands.
Some blokes the ball will only ever touch their foot
Some blokes will never lay a tackle in their career
Some blokes will have body contact on every play of their career


All that being said....the NFL teams have 50 or so players suited up ready to get on the field on a moments notice....
...and they STILL only have 15 'coaches' on average.


So they need their coaches, we don't....and we still have more coaches/analysts and yes man.

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Reply #19 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Ray Shaw, Doc Reid ... still have my player worn bullants jumper from 1980.  To me it's priceless
Yes, even managed to barrack for Ray Shaw, that was tough work for a while but I got there...haha.

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: laj – on
Yes, even managed to barrack for Ray Shaw, that was tough work for a while but I got there...haha.

Laj, he is a really nice bloke actually, even today

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Laj, he is a really nice bloke actually, even today
Agreed, Ray's a nice guy, I've had a bit of contact with him years ago through the Unders.

Unfortunately I can't say as much about one of his brothers, but you'd never hear or read Ray stating something like that about anybody, he's just too nice, sometimes too nice for his own good a few bastards have taken advantage of that in the past!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Laj, he is a really nice bloke actually, even today

Must've been the Collingwood thing, creates bad perceptions...haha.

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Reply #23 –
So, at this writing, we are the only club without a VFL connection, either affiliate or standalone. Interesting to see where this all ends up.

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
So, at this writing, we are the only club without a VFL connection, either affiliate or standalone. Interesting to see where this all ends up.
 PaulP, the swiftness of this decision must to some degree expose some of our internal yet undisclosed priorities.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: LP – on
PaulP, the swiftness of this decision must to some degree expose some of our internal yet undisclosed priorities.

I've got no doubt that Liddle is a fast decision maker. Clearly he (and maybe others) want a standalone team, but just like the Bolton decision, he seems to make up his mind and then quickly (and impulsively IMO) seizes an opportunity and goes for the throat. Whether that makes him a good decision maker remains to be seen.

I feel sorry for the Preston/Northern Bullants/Blues. They seem to have paid a very high price for their association with us. And apart from a short piece here and there on the day of the announcement, not a peep from anyone in the AFL about the demise of a 130 year old club. I can't even find anything on the CFC website. Maybe it's buried in a dark corner somewhere.

EDIT : there are a couple of short pieces towards the bottom of the main CFC page.

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Reply #26 –
Why can't Preston continue in their own rite like Coburg did when first Fitzroy and the Richmond abandoned them or like Port Melbourne did when North dropped them ?  I'm sure the people connected to Preston for the last 130 years will fight for the clubs survival.
Long time lurker few time poster !!

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Reply #27 –
Quote from: Hubba – on
Why can't Preston continue in their own rite like Coburg did when first Fitzroy and the Richmond abandoned them or like Port Melbourne did when North dropped them ?  I'm sure the people connected to Preston for the last 130 years will fight for the clubs survival.

I wish I knew the answer, because it's a fair question IMO.
 

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Reply #28 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I wish I knew the answer, because it's a fair question IMO.
I've heard Preston were broke, and were only still alive due to being underwritten by Carlton.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: LP – on
I've heard Preston were broke, and were only still alive due to being underwritten by Carlton.

That would certainly seem like the most likely explanation. I'm wondering what the formal and structural mechanisms would be to "transform" an affiliate club to a stand alone, assuming it's possible ? Liddle has stated they want a standalone team, but they already had a seconds team, i.e the Bullies. Why does Carlton have to recreate from scratch what was, in a fashion, under their noses ?