Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #75 – July 03, 2020, 01:25:43 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 03, 2020, 11:56:06 am

Dumb 50s, Dumb switches of play to 2 on 1s. These just dont happen every know and then, they happen all too often. People criticize the umps all the time, but was I the only one that noticed the repeat offended for HTB was Curnow? I counted at least 3 where he made no attempt what so ever to dispose of the ball, in a week were its been discussed ad nauseam and you know the umps are gonna be red hot on it. How many games has he played?

Good point! I said to my partner I think when Setters was done, ffs, Clarkson complained about the lack of the call, yet you're not even pretending to get rid of it!

However what pisses me off even more is that they had incorrect disposal by at least 10 times I can recall off the top of my head, that were play on!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #76 – July 03, 2020, 01:26:53 pm

Quote from: capcom – on July 03, 2020, 11:56:21 am

I know it's a screwed up season but our recruiting over the last few years (and the reasons behind them) should prompt a serious review and an all out attack on securing at least two big names. Kreuzer, Murphy and Simpson must go by virtue of form if not age. They're not alone by any means.

We can't continue "financing" incompetence. At any level.

Enjoy three more years of financing McGovern @ 800k a season...if he plays I'd have him down back and in the action so he is forced to compete. Threw one limp hand out in a ball winning attempt/semi tackle last night that a new born lamb could walk through and should have been dragged. Teague has to get tougher on players who wont commit and drag/drop them and make it clear you dont pick and choose when you go under his leadership.
The kid Long from Stkilda was committed to attacking the ball and while he doesnt have much profile or talent you can see he is a
player who will play a lot of footy under Ratten because he gives effort.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #77 – July 03, 2020, 01:31:22 pm

Quote from: Micky0 – on July 03, 2020, 01:25:43 pm

However what pisses me off even more is that they had incorrect disposal by at least 10 times I can recall off the top of my head, that were play on!

Yes the throws.

The one that pissed me off was Geary burying his elbow in the backs of a Carlton players head, he did it multiple times and it is always the elbow the umpire cannot see. A coach like Sheedy says that is good football, let's teach all the kids!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #78 – July 03, 2020, 01:40:09 pm

Agree with almost everything that has been said

I’d be making a serious statement that enough is enough and Carlton won’t stand for ineptitude

I’d be dropping Murphy (effort), Plowman (effort/skill), Newnes (skill), Philp (not ready)

I’d play Casboult at CHB, Weitering FB
Jones on the wing or centre to provide big body support (and away from defence) to Cripps
McKay CHF, McGovern FF and Silvagni HFF.

Ins Silvagni, Honey (tough), Fisher, LOB.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #79 – July 03, 2020, 01:49:47 pm

I refuse to (as I always try to) partake discussion around umpiring, other than to say Carlton are the best at giving away stupid frees and 50s. There was absolutely no need to dump players after they had disposed of the ball, its poor and undisciplined. Its a weak as piss to bring it up IMO, it covers up Carlton's shortfalls. And can I say, Carlton supporters are the worst at it. I got a mate of mine who text me during games and ALWAYS "the umpires this, the umpires that", its BS AFAIC! Get our crap together Carlton and umpiring (good or bad) goes away. I heard nothing (or at least SFA) on umpiring after the Geel and Cheats games (ie W's), it seems to get highlighted most when we lose.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #80 – July 03, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: JonDorotich – on July 03, 2020, 01:40:09 pm

Agree with almost everything that has been said

I’d be making a serious statement that enough is enough and Carlton won’t stand for ineptitude

I’d be dropping Murphy (effort), Plowman (effort/skill), Newnes (skill), Philp (not ready)

I’d play Casboult at CHB, Weitering FB
Jones on the wing or centre to provide big body support (and away from defence) to Cripps
McKay CHF, McGovern FF and Silvagni HFF.

Ins Silvagni, Honey (tough), Fisher, LOB.

As painful as it may sound, I was thinking last night it may be time to move Jones fwd again. At least he attacks the contest these days. I'd drop Mackay in a heartbeat, he was pathetic last night.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #81 – July 03, 2020, 01:55:24 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 03, 2020, 01:49:47 pm

I refuse to (as I always try to) partake discussion around umpiring, other than to say Carlton are the best at giving away stupid frees and 50s. There was absolutely no need to dump players after they had disposed of the ball, its poor and undisciplined. Its a weak as piss to bring it up IMO, it covers up Carlton's shortfalls. And can I say, Carlton supporters are the worst at it. I got a mate of mine who text me during games and ALWAYS "the umpires this, the umpires that", its BS AFAIC! Get our crap together Carlton and umpiring (good or bad) goes away. I heard nothing (or at least SFA) on umpiring after the Geel and Cheats games (ie W's), it seems to get highlighted most when we lose.

Agree 100%.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #82 – July 03, 2020, 01:59:52 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 03, 2020, 01:49:47 pm

I refuse to (as I always try to) partake discussion around umpiring, other than to say Carlton are the best at giving away stupid frees and 50s. There was absolutely no need to dump players after they had disposed of the ball, its poor and undisciplined. Its a weak as piss to bring it up IMO, it covers up Carlton's shortfalls. And can I say, Carlton supporters are the worst at it. I got a mate of mine who text me during games and ALWAYS "the umpires this, the umpires that", its BS AFAIC! Get our crap together Carlton and umpiring (good or bad) goes away. I heard nothing (or at least SFA) on umpiring after the Geel and Cheats games (ie W's), it seems to get highlighted most when we lose.

Yep blaming the umps is an easy out for lack of effort, when you play and attack the ball properly most times the umpiring looks after itself. The scoreboard flattered us and the umpiring had nothing to do with the result.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #83 – July 03, 2020, 02:41:25 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 03, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

As painful as it may sound, I was thinking last night it may be time to move Jones fwd again. At least he attacks the contest these days. I'd drop Mackay in a heartbeat, he was pathetic last night.

Funnily enough I was thinking exactly the same thing myself last night when he took a good mark up the field a bit.
He'd provide a contest that we now have the small forwards to exploit and his pack marking is solid.

Of course the problem would be that we really don't have anyone to take his place down back.

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Reply #84 – July 03, 2020, 03:12:08 pm

100% emphatic NO to moving Jones forward. Been there done that no good.

Personally I'd ruck him or run him on the wing and tell him to smash bodies. He's good at "chaos" play.

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Reply #85 – July 03, 2020, 03:15:25 pm

If our midfield is so crap, how did we dominate over Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan, Miers etc???

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #86 – July 03, 2020, 03:38:42 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 03, 2020, 03:15:25 pm

If our midfield is so crap, how did we dominate over Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan, Miers etc???

I'm not sure that's correct. We won the Cats game in the air. Our aerial game was brilliant that day. Fantastic work rate and skill by ball carrier and receiver - out marked them comprehensively. If you look at ground ball, I think it was in their favour - they won the clearances, I50's, tackles, scoring shots etc.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #87 – July 03, 2020, 03:40:11 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 03, 2020, 03:15:25 pm

If our midfield is so crap, how did we dominate over Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan, Miers etc???

They had a crape soft ruck in Stanley who was well beat by Pittonet and played the likes of Narkle on Cripps and did zero homework on our players and played with total arrogance. Cripps and Docherty were BOG wallpapering the cracks again, check out the stats of our other mids that night...Martin excepted. Geelong were crap but we fell in thanks to Eddie laying that tackle in the middle of the ground and Ablett missing an easy goal.
Ratten had the kryptonite for Cripps with Steele, was smart enough to cover Docherty too and the rest of the Von Trapp kids couldnt handle it apart from Martin.
Marshall was always going to be tough work for Pittonet given his athletic ability and Ratten didnt really rest him either and give us a break..

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #88 – July 03, 2020, 03:43:56 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 03, 2020, 03:40:11 pm

They had a crape soft ruck in Stanley ..................

Not one to mince words EB1!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #89 – July 03, 2020, 04:10:49 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling – on July 03, 2020, 03:15:25 pm

If our midfield is so crap, how did we dominate over Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan, Miers etc???

Lets be brutally honest and call a vanga a vanga as Ol Mate PaulyP would say, the Geelong game was an aberration as far as where Carlton's at is concerned. Its good to be positive and optimistic but the Melb and StK performances wipe any positives from my mind. I'm am sick to death of "we showed we can compete with the best".