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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #195 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Watching him run around in the twos today, I'd say he isn't worth the steam of my crap.

I hope he isn't deliberately off the pace to lower his price, giving the Pussycats a better chance of securing him. Now I'll put the aluminium foil hate back in the cupboard.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #196 –
Quote from: LP – on
For who, ............... the bloke you claim is over-rated?

So what is it, is he worth two 1st Round picks or not?

I suspect most fans want TDK out because the long term alternative is too shocking to think about for them, after all most fans are in fact that, fans.

It stands out on here as the thing never mentioned!

Output, he is overrated. I stand by that. I don't know how anyone cannot.

Potential, is through the roof. Most 'fans' point to this when talking him up......and rightly so.

My issue is that he isn't anywhere near his potential, and doesn't appear to be getting any closer to it. He doesn't do enough around the ground to warrant being picked anywhere else.

So someone sniffing around him are doing so based on potential, not output. They would back themselves to get the most out of TDK where we are (somehow) failing. Geelong are always good to us at the trade table, so why not ask for 2 first round picks? Might involve 2 2nd round picks going back the other way, but if you don't ask you don't get.

Just on that last part. Chris Webber was drafted to the Magic at pick 1 in the NBA draft 20+ years ago. 15 minutes later, as is allowed in the rules, Chris Webber was traded for Penny Hardaway (who was just taken at pick 3 by the Warriors) and as a sweetener......3 first round picks!
"How did you manage to get 3 first round picks?"
"Well, i asked for 6!"

No harm in asking. ;)

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #197 –
The story here, if true, is that a number of Geelong players including SDK were out drinking. :o

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #198 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The story here, if true, is that a number of Geelong players including SDK were out drinking. :o

The big question is.  Why is Tom the only one in strife?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #199 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The big question is.  Why is Tom the only one in strife?

Players are allowed to have a drink or two Thry, but not if they have injury/fitness issues.  Tom was "managed" and shouldn't have been drinking.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #200 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The big question is.  Why is Tom the only one in strife?
Must have been lemonade!

FFS, SDK has been subbed for a HIA twice already this season if I recall correctly!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #201 –
Sounds like there could have been a  reason for TDK's performance.

"A difficult fortnight for axed big man Tom De Koning continued on Saturday when he suffered a concussion and finished with just seven touches, 13 hitouts and one goal in a narrow loss to the Bulldogs. The 23-year-old, who was dropped from the senior side two weeks ago, is out of contract at the end of this season."    from "Axed Blue Concussed". AFL

Ab

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #202 –
'Potential' is pretty much just a judgement call with footballers.
It's not measurable.
A player is only really as good as his current ability,
Some improve, some do not.
What evidence is there to suggest Tom will be a better footballer given time.
This may be as good as it gets.
Right now the judgements of TDK's 'potential' are heading south at a great rate.
Two first rounders is 'pie in the sky' stuff at this moment...but that could quite easily change.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #203 –
two firsts with a future second going the other way isn't completely out of the realms of possibility.
As clubs will pay big on potential and list need.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #204 –
Quote from: pinot – on
two firsts with a future second going the other way isn't completely out of the realms of possibility.
As clubs will pay big on potential and list need.
Reckon his value has dropped trade and money wise.Cant see anyone forking out two first rounders and if it's Geelong have they actually got any decent picks after trading big last year?

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #206 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Question answered ;D
Efficient Pittonet ;)

https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Zero%20Hanger&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3munbRMQBWSsNjHp4nYTH8jtqABEq7AZ4RUF3u7rGRpqK451SwLS193VE#Echobox=1682998648
Interesting how last seasons GF winners Geelong have their two rucks down the bottom of the list...proving having an efficient winning ruck is a bonus rather than a necessity.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #207 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Question answered ;D
Efficient Pittonet ;)

https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Zero%20Hanger&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3munbRMQBWSsNjHp4nYTH8jtqABEq7AZ4RUF3u7rGRpqK451SwLS193VE#Echobox=1682998648
I've been saying it for years and basically invented that stat. Nobody had ever seen it before, and people couldn't understand its significance.

This guy comes in and does literally the exact same thing and people start to take notice? LMAO.

Up until recently, people were wanting TDK as our #1 ruck.
Now people are starting to see the value of Pittonet. Overall he is very much above average and usually falls into the elite category for rucks (top 10% IIRC). His last 2 weeks with 18 and 11 hitouts to advantage are through the roof.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #208 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I've been saying it for years and basically invented that stat. Nobody had ever seen it before, and people couldn't understand its significance.

This guy comes in and does literally the exact same thing and people start to take notice? LMAO.

Up until recently, people were wanting TDK as our #1 ruck.
Now people are starting to see the value of Pittonet. Overall he is very much above average and usually falls into the elite category for rucks (top 10% IIRC). His last 2 weeks with 18 and 11 hitouts to advantage are through the roof.


Pitto is limited, but he is very good at what he does. he was the best ruck in the comp last year until he got injured. He hasn't got back to that form yet, but he makes a real difference. When he gets a tap, our mids are likely to get the ball.
Not so with Tom de Koning. When he gets a tap, it is less than 25% of the times that we can get the ball easily.

The way Williams played Pitto on Saturday should give Tom ideas: Tom can jump higher and is stronger, but doesn't get the ball on his terms, Williams almost did.
Live Long and Prosper!
 

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #209 –
I'd be curious to see how an outfit like Champion Data rates Pittonet. If you head over to Footywire and compare him to other rucks (I compared him to Sean Darcy, Tim English, and Blicavs using career averages) his limitations are fairly obvious IMO.

I have no inherent issue with Pittonet, but I remain unconvinced that any tyre pumping is really justified. A one trick pony, and limited beyond that IMO.