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Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #465 –
Hmmmmmm, sure it is!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #466 –
Just in case somebody really believes those nasty FinalSiren stats.

We better get them put in their place with the lovely unbiased purely analytical AFL CD data that has the good old HTA as well!

Psssst .............. "Don't talk about the War!" :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #467 –
That ruck duo can never work, what a pair of spuds! :D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #468 –
Something doesn't add up. The players in this conversation are Pittonet, De Koning, Jack Silvagni, and arguably Lewis Young. Pittonet signed a four year deal, De Koning has a contract in front of him from us, as well as suitors such as Geelong, Sydney and St Kilda, all offering what is supposedly good money. If he's not that great, then why the interest ? Have Stephen Wells and Kinnear Beatson suddenly lost their mojo ? If Jack Silvagni or Lewis Young can do as good or a better job, then why are we and other clubs even bothering with De Koning ?
 

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #469 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Something doesn't add up. The players in this conversation are Pittonet, De Koning, Jack Silvagni, and arguably Lewis Young. Pittonet signed a four year deal, De Koning has a contract in front of him from us, as well as suitors such as Geelong, Sydney and St Kilda, all offering what is supposedly good money. If he's not that great, then why the interest ? Have Stephen Wells and Kinnear Beatson suddenly lost their mojo ? If Jack Silvagni or Lewis Young can do as good or a better job, then why are we and other clubs even bothering with De Koning ?
Its nonsense to think De Koning is no good. Does it come down to whether he is worth more to us as a player or in trade value?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #470 –
It's probably accepted that young rucks take time and we don't see the best of most until they're 25 plus.
That's about where DeKoning will be this time next year...just coming into his prime.
So in some respects the interest is all based on potential.

I'm just wondering whether the same can be said for 'ruck combinations' taking some time to sort themselves out.

I had a quick look last night and I reckon that Pittonet and DeKoning have had less than 20 games together.
Injuries and 'team balance' selections have meant they've played as a duo in only half the games each has played.

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #471 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its nonsense to think De Koning is no good. Does it come down to whether he is worth more to us as a player or in trade value?

And that is the $64 question.

If TDK does go for the loot, what do we get in return? Is a 1st round draft pick, which would eventually become around pick 20 or so, enough?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #472 –
Can't be paying DeKoning 800k a year when Pittonet is on half that but expected to carry the brunt of the ruck work and take all the lumps and bruises.
TDK can have his big money deal when he starts delivering match winning games and making Pittonet redundant.

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #473 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
And that is the $64 question.

If TDK does go for the loot, what do we get in return? Is a 1st round draft pick, which would eventually become around pick 20 or so, enough?
I don't think the loot interests Tom although it may in the end. My mail is he wants to stay but thinks it might be out of his hands. To me, if that's the case, the club thinks he is of more value on the trade table.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #474 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its nonsense to think De Koning is no good. Does it come down to whether he is worth more to us as a player or in trade value?
The debate is being heavily coloured by the surname of some players, a name delivers a lot of support even if the player isn't suited to the role they are being asked to play. The influence is so great not even the media speak a name, it's like Voldemort! Nobody wants to shoot Bambi,  it's patently obvious to anyone who isn't being wilfully ignorant!

I don't know what the club can do to resolve this situation, because even if TDK departs the false solution persists, it'll just become some other poor spud who ends up the focus of fanboy ire! We've already kyboshed some of the administration panel that created this scenario, I bet there is nobody in the coaching panel that wants to be the next head on the block, so long term there seems to be only one way out of this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqcLjcSloXs


"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #475 –
2022/2023

TDK alone: 8 wins 7 losses and a draw
Pittonet alone: 2 wins 6 losses
TDK and Pitt: 7 wins and 4* losses

*One of those losses Pittonet was injured in the first quarter.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #476 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Can't be paying DeKoning 800k a year when Pittonet is on half that but expected to carry the brunt of the ruck work and take all the lumps and bruises.
TDK can have his big money deal when he starts delivering match winning games and making Pittonet redundant.
I doubt Pitto is even on $400K

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #478 –
Quote from: LP – on
Just in case somebody really believes those nasty FinalSiren stats.

We better get them put in their place with the lovely unbiased purely analytical AFL CD data that has the good old HTA as well!

Psssst .............. "Don't talk about the War!" :o

You are doing a disservice to yourself and science by using 1 game (in which i would never have picked Pittonet to even play) as an example.

You are probably worse than the media as you actually know better.

Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet

Reply #479 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Something doesn't add up. The players in this conversation are Pittonet, De Koning, Jack Silvagni, and arguably Lewis Young. Pittonet signed a four year deal, De Koning has a contract in front of him from us, as well as suitors such as Geelong, Sydney and St Kilda, all offering what is supposedly good money. If he's not that great, then why the interest ? Have Stephen Wells and Kinnear Beatson suddenly lost their mojo ? If Jack Silvagni or Lewis Young can do as good or a better job, then why are we and other clubs even bothering with De Koning ?

Team Balance.

Not sure how many times i need to say the same thing before it starts to sink in.

People (read LP) think this is about some kind of favouritism towards Jack Silvagni. Which is spin and deflection and clouding his own judgement. Ignore Jack from this debate.

The reason we as a team don't require a dedicated 2nd ruck is because of a couple things.
1. Our #1 rucks ability is elite in terms of ruckwork and can ruck a full game (80-90%) with minimal help.
2. Our team is very top heavy with a-grade talent (key forwards and key back(s)), we also have some taller '3rd tall' types at both ends. Too much tall talent
3. Our options for 2nd ruck (be that TDK, Mirkov or whoever) can not play another position effectively....and must be 'carried' or benched.

Would i play TDK if Harry got injured? Absolutely.
Would i play TDK if Pittonet stopped performing? Absolutely.
Would i play TDK if we had an extended interchange bench? Absolutely.

Now.....would i play TDK if i was another team who didn't have the same team dynamics as us? Absolutely.

I said it in the pre-season and have stood by it all year. Based on team balance, we cannot afford a 2nd ruck who cannot play another position (or is providing the output TDK is while playing another position).

If i was another club like the ones being mentioned, i would absolutely trade for TDK.

Put simply, he is a luxury for us that we cannot afford.