Carlton Supporters Club

Historically, power asymmetries have never been corrected voluntarily. There isn't one example that I can recall where those at the top cede power over a hot cocoa and marshmallows. Historically, their hand has always been forced. Lidia Thorpe is rough around the edges and doesn't mind crude tactics (or maybe doesn't know any better), but she does have a point. It's taken 200 years for First Nations voices to be even heard, and there's still plenty to do. Martin Luther King was correct when he said the arc of the moral universe is long.

This lack of a first nation's voice is really a bit of a myth.
First nations people have  a strong voice.  They don't always agree  and are not necessarily always listened to especially by political folk. If you dont think they have a voice then you haven't been paying attention.Indigenous departments are part of State and Federal  Govenments and contain many Indigenous people. We had Indigenous aides and teachers in my schools for the last 20 years of my teaching providing an Indigenous perspective.

The issues facing indigenous people are significant and complex. Is enough being done to address these real issues.? Certainly not!

And folks like Lidia Thorpe with her distractions are not helping the situation. She is divisive and alienates people. Of all the things she talked about yesterday none were solutions, just grievances and insults.

Quote from: Lods – on October 22, 2024, 05:32:16 pm

This lack of a first nation's voice is really a bit of a myth.
First nations people have  a strong voice.  They don't always agree  and are not necessarily always listened to especially by political folk. If you dont think they have a voice then you haven't been paying attention.Indigenous departments are part of State and Federal  Govenments and contain many Indigenous people. We had Indigenous aides and teachers in my schools for the last 20 years of my teaching providing an Indigenous perspective.

The issues facing indigenous people are significant and complex. Is enough being done to address these real issues.? Certainly not!

And folks like Lidia Thorpe with her distractions are not helping the situation. She is divisive and alienates people. Of all the things she talked about yesterday none were solutions, just grievances and insults.

If the powers that be are not listening and not acting, or listening and not acting, then it proves my point that First Nations people are still lacking power.

With your last paragraph, Americans said exactly the same about MLK, i.e that his civil rights demonstrations etc. hurt Negroes more than they helped. I'm not in any way suggesting that Thorpe is on par with MLK, but the comparison hardly flatters our generation.

Lidia Thorpes methods are the complete opposite of King's. Maybe she should take a leaf from that playbook.

(Oh...and King...well that's my generation)  

Quote from: Lods – on October 22, 2024, 06:12:57 pm

Lidia Thorpes methods are the complete opposite of King's. Maybe she should take a leaf from that playbook.

(Oh...and King...well that's my generation)  

Perhaps my earlier post lacked clarity. Whether Thorpe's methods are same or different to MLK is not really the point. MLK was the most hated man in America when he died, and the consensus position among surveyed Americans is that he was divisive and his methods counterproductive to the Negro cause, which is where the comparison to Thorpe comes in, or Adam Goodes for that matter.

Do you really think history will judge Lidia Thorpe as Australia's equivalent of  MLK?

King was a leader of people. Thorpe seems to be only interested in her own profile.

Two things today:

1) Mt Arapiles climbing ban - the possibility has been in the news for a while, however, one of the affected groups (the rock climbers) is saying that they weren't listened to.  Now it's going to be in place, what is it that is really aiming to be achieved?

2) Nazi Salute.  First Victorian sentenced, receives 1 month accommodation curtesy of the King.  The available sentencing options are (max) 12 mnths gaol, or $24k fine.  Fine would be paid by mates in no time, is gaol going to rehab the offender or harden their stance against authority (especially when they have no remorse).  Don't know the solution, but this doesn't feel right - is there a better way to address the issue? (The offender does get a criminal record, which makes it harder to get employment, but possibly more likely to be employed by same/similar minded people).

Thoughts?