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Reply #1155 –
Massive stench about this, but apart from becoming Emperor, what exactly did Scotty expect to gain ?
Does he get a superannuation boost for being a minister with 6 portfolios ?
A resume filler…?
I could agree with LP that early on in Covid it may have been a insurance policy of sorts, but why the secrecy…?
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Reply #1156 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Massive stench about this, but apart from becoming Emperor, what exactly did Scotty expect to gain ?
Does he get a superannuation boost for being a minister with 6 portfolios ?
A resume filler…?
I could agree with LP that early on in Covid it may have been a insurance policy of sorts, but why the secrecy…?

...and why didn't he do the same with a number of other ministers? And why the secrecy? And why not tell the folks who had the portfolios that he'd put himself in there as well (as insurance). Didn't a few folks who worked with him report he was a compulsive liar? Did Dutton know? Be interesting to see what comes out in the wash.
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Reply #1157 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's a bit hard to judge this, as much as I want to slam Scotty the facts are not yet known, the media will want to paint it one way, however the implementation was clearly dodgy.

For example, I could argue that early in the pandemic the needs for leadership, governance and management were not clear. In this regard it's easier to take over an established portfolio, or more than one if needed, given they have established bureaucracy in place, than it would be to lump the unknowns of the pandemic on any individual. It was probably reasonable to say I can look over the day to day of several ministries, some ministers being constrained by border closures and the like, and free them to address the unknown pandemic as a team.

It also meant that the newly formed national cabinet had an equivalence across state and federal boundaries.

Even so, he should have done all this with transparency not secrecy, it left someone like Frydenberg in an untenable situation, and reeks of a secret NSW takeover of Federal politics.

I would think the biggest issues are yet to surface, wait until the states do a retrospective analysis of this.

Yes LP, it’s easy to see how multiple ministers could have been necessary when COVID was taking off.  Dutton said as much on the wireless yesterday.  However, placing all of that power in the hands of one person, and the secrecy around Scotty’s appointments, smacks of megalomania and a complete disregard for the Westminster system and the need for transparency in government.

I expect that the folk who were outraged by the Victorian Government’s state of emergency legislation will be up in arms about Scotty’s attempt at presidential rule.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1158 –
He should be commended, 5 additional ministries and not a cent of extra pay.
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Reply #1160 –
Its all very Trumpesque, they will be raiding ScoMo's house next and fingerprinting the kids....
Havent got much time for the bloke as he is as slippery as they come and his next job will probably be as a used car salesman but I hope we are not going to waste a lot of tax payers money and time trying to pin his ar$e to the front door of the lodge in an effort to score political points when there are a lot more urgent matters pending..

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Reply #1161 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Its all very Trumpesque, they will be raiding ScoMo's house next and fingerprinting the kids....
Havent got much time for the bloke as he is as slippery as they come and his next job will probably be as a used car salesman but I hope we are not going to waste a lot of tax payers money and time trying to pin his ar$e to the front door of the lodge in an effort to score political points when there are a lot more urgent matters pending..


Yes but…
This sort of shiite should not be swept under the carpet.
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Reply #1162 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Yes but…
This sort of shiite should not be swept under the carpet.

Absolutely!

It’s not a matter of political point scoring, it’s a matter of exposing an attempt to undermine our system of parliamentary democracy and ensuring that it can’t happen again.

It’s interesting to see how some conservative politicians are sticking fat with Scotty but most are outraged at his megalomania and undermining of our system of government.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1163 –
Quote from: DJC – on
.I expect that the folk who were outraged by the Victorian Government’s state of emergency legislation will be up in arms about Scotty’s attempt at presidential rule.

and vice versa.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1164 –
As a middling voter I don't have a lot of issue with the PM taking on repsonsibility for extra duties.
In fact with the proper checks and balances it makes sense to have the boss with the back-up power should a minister be indisposed.

When Gough Whitlam came to power he and Lance Barnard divided up all the portfolios between them (Whitlam 13, Barnard 14) and they made quite a few decisions in the weeks before the new full ministry was sworn in.
Whitlam and Labor had a clear agenda and as leader of the party I doubt there was much issue amongst his colleagues with the process.
There was a bit of public outrage at the time, but they hit the ground running.

The big problem for Morrison is in terms of transparency and secrecy.
Let folks know...no problem.
Do it without that transparency...political career over.
It's time to go.

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Reply #1165 –
We all knew Scomo was a little bit shady playing both sides to win/fall into the top job in the first place but this is next level. He deceived his whole party including his closest allies. He's finished.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1166 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We all knew Scomo was a little bit shady playing both sides to win/fall into the top job in the first place but this is next level. He deceived his whole party including his closest allies. He's finished.
Agree...he will have to resign for sure, even his own party cant defend this and many in the opposition dont want him to survive but I just hope its quick and he falls on his sword and saves the taxpayer a lot of time and money rather than some dragged out investigation.

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Reply #1167 –
In typical Scomo fashion, being the dedicated servant of the people, he’ll resign after December so he qualifies for maximum benefits.

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Reply #1168 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As a middling voter I don't have a lot of issue with the PM taking on repsonsibility for extra duties.
In fact with the proper checks and balances it makes sense to have the boss with the back-up power should a minister be indisposed.

When Gough Whitlam came to power he and Lance Barnard divided up all the portfolios between them (Whitlam 13, Barnard 14) and they made quite a few decisions in the weeks before the new full ministry was sworn in.
Whitlam and Labor had a clear agenda and as leader of the party I doubt there was much issue amongst his colleagues with the process.
There was a bit of public outrage at the time, but they hit the ground running.

The big problem for Morrison is in terms of transparency and secrecy.
Let folks know...no problem.
Do it without that transparency...political career over.
It's time to go.

Yes Lods, there's nothing wrong with Ministers or Prime Ministers having more than one portfolio.  It's the secrecy around Morrison's multiple appointments that's the problem.  Of course, none of this is codified and Morrison has broken conventions rather than laws or the Constitution.  In fact, our Constitution doesn't provide for a Prime Minister and the role is based on conventions established by the UK Parliament aka the Westminster system.

Similarly, deceiving his Cabinet colleagues and heads of departments is not unlawful but is at odds with the Westminster system.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1169 –
Quote from: Mav – on
In typical Scomo fashion, being the dedicated servant of the people, he’ll resign after December so he qualifies for maximum benefits.

As long as he is there it reflects on the opposition.
They'll want him gone so this isn't a distraction and a point of constant attack by Albo and his minions.

It will be interesting to see how much of a 'servant of the party' Morrison is.