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Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
What Plowman did today typifies our culture.    Weak, Submissive.   While I compliment him for his game today btw, the team continues to show why it cannot ever become anything of substance in it's current form.  To hear Teauges presser today was to think if you hadn't seen the game, that we'd won.  He spoke of 'growth' etc.  Sounds like a Boltonism.   The truth is , yet again, and it doesn't matter WHO we play btw... because we do it again MOST sides, we go to pieces when the pressure comes and we don't know how to win.  Not enough blokes either want to, or have the capabilities to die for it.  The coach has no idea how to stop a run of goals, and this is reasonable given he is ANOTHER first year coach.  I am mentally torn apart by what this club does to it's supporters year after year and soon enough will be enough.
Have to disagree re pressure. We withstood their pressure over and over again and to me, they got a run on and we didn’t put the stopper on but in no way did I see it that we couldn’t hack the pressure. That was one pleasing part of the game, their biggest mature well drilled bodies smashed our guys time and again and we kept keeping on, until we ran out of puff.  IMO.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #46 –
Quote from: jeza – on
SPS has played some ordinary footy at times and still turns the ball over a bit too much for such a talented player but I don't know how anyone could choose him to single out after today's game. I thought he was pretty good today.
Cost us three goals but the first holding the ball was rubbish umpiring , got caught again the 2nd time and froze, 3rd time he didnt compete well enough. Also persists in kicking across ground 15-20m kicks and playing safe when we need him attacking.
Not sure why we are persisting with him down back when he is a midfielder, sure we lack pace but you hardly see him run the ball down the ground  just does those dinky kicks sideways. Got the skills but way too laconic and inconsistent down back...

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #47 –
Agree EB.  He is wasted down back

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #48 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Cost us three goals but the first holding the ball was rubbish umpiring , got caught again the 2nd time and froze, 3rd time he didnt compete well enough. Also persists in kicking across ground 15-20m kicks and playing safe when we need him attacking.
Not sure why we are persisting with him down back when he is a midfielder, sure we lack pace but you hardly see him run the ball down the ground  just does those dinky kicks sideways. Got the skills but way too laconic and inconsistent down back...

Didn't we get him as a small forward. Maybe time to play him mid-forward again.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #49 –
We had 17 F50 tackles, no frees. Eagles 5 F50 tackles for 3 frees and 2 goals.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #50 –
Quote from: laj – on
Didn't we get him as a small forward. Maybe time to play him mid-forward again.


Jim, Frustrating player, watched him one day play as a defender and he was great, played on a decent opponent(cant remember his name) and kept him quiet, might have been Tippa, SPS only had 7 possies but played close and did the job well. Then on other days he gets lazy wont get involved and might get 20 cheap possies but also has turned the ball over numerous times and not attacked the ball or player well enough. He can do most things well, I just want him out of the backline so his mistakes dont cost.
Wing, Midfield, run down forward would suit better IMO, get a running half back who is more consistent...

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #51 –
Quote from: laj – on
We had 17 F50 tackles, no frees. Eagles 5 F50 tackles for 3 frees and 2 goals.

What are the chances?
Almost impossible, all things being equal. But wait all things weren't equal were they?
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #52 –
Quote from: laj – on
We had 17 F50 tackles, no frees. Eagles 5 F50 tackles for 3 frees and 2 goals.
That’s actually an unbelievable stat. That needs to be properly questioned with HQ.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #53 –
Whilst the effort today couldn’t be questioned, it’s now obvious that we have some glaring deficiencies in our back line and our midfield composition.

Draft target number 1 should be a fast, strong lockdown defender for the Butler types.There’s no Andy Collins, Wayne Harmes or even a Jed Bews type back there and if we’re honest SPS and Docherty aren’t really natural defenders and I’d much prefer to see both around the middle. I’d love Zac Willliams from GWS, bit of urgency and intensity.

We’re also badly lacking pace and X factor around the middle of the ground and I can’t remember the last time I saw a Carlton midfielder breaking the lines with pace as opposed to brute force - Cripps, Kennedy, Setterfield, Curnow, Newnes and Gibbons can all be effective but are all a bit one paced and I really don’t think we can or should play all at once. If we persist, we’ll be great in the arm wrestle, but when momentum swings we will continue to struggle to contain the outside runners. I’d be introducing Docherty, Dow, Fisher and maybe even trying Honey around the stoppages to give us some desperately needed outside run.

A midfield rotation (including wingers) as follows would better balance our side
- 1x Ruck (TDK, Pitt)
- 2x Inside (Cripps, Setters, Kennedy, Curnow, Gibbons)
- 3x Runners  (Dow, Docherty, Fisher, Cunningham, Martin, Walsh, SPS,  Honey)

As much as SPS needs to move further up the field, Murphy needs to spend more time forward as many have said - probably HFF.

In summary, whilst it’s a bit unfair I’d be going with Williamson and Cotterell back for some run and carry, Murphy forward and rotating Dow, Docherty and SPS through the middle.

I’d be giving Eddie a rest for a couple of weeks - right now we’re carrying too many

I’d go hard for Williams at GWS and Pettrucelle at WC in the off season also. Exactly what we need.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #54 –
Can't fault our intent and pressure today.

WC are a mature strong side with arguably the best midfield combo.

We are losing the fitness battles this year. It's strange but I had a feeling SOJ would not return after Merrett # ribs. Levi struggled after a similar injury at the crows nest.

SOJ for me, is a bit of a barometer. He also gives us much needed flexibility. Offensively and defensively. I think he's a huge out for us.

I'd like to see Mr Russell sort out the players with repeat injuries, but haven't seen any evidence thus far. Cunners, Charlie, H, Marchy, to name a few. Imagine how many options we'd have with a fit list. Over to you Mr Russell.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
That’s actually an unbelievable stat. That needs to be properly questioned with HQ.

Tackles 56 - 77
Frees 14 - 12
On its own, that's very strange if you ask me. I wonder how many frees we got for HTB (including 400° tackles), tripping (evidently tb assessed at tribunal), holding the player, knocking ball out after a mark (🐟 on wing)?
I wonder how many we got for push in back / forced out of marking contest?
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #56 –
Sam Petrevski-Seaton - time to be moved out of the backline ?

Have other teams have worked Sam out, I suspect so!  Sam often retains possession while picking out a team mate to pass the ball too. It has been commented that "he makes time stand still" . A great skill, but not good if he is regularly being caught with the ball down back.              

cheers Ab
 

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #57 –
Quote from: laj – on
We're bit depleted. gave a good account of ourselves against the possible flag favorite but we ran out of puff in the end. We've shown we can take on the best and match them, even beat them but in-game consistency is our big issue. Suppose it happens when you're building but it's something for the pre-season big time. We have to be able to close a game down when the other side has momentum. We're 4-6, what could we have been but for that. At the end of round 10 we were equal leaders with Port and Brisbane for qtrs won. Makes the in-game inconsistency stand out more.

Next 2 games we have to win just to show we've made great gains. 6-6 would be a decent outcome.

So much is there ability wise... but there is still something above the shoulders that causes critical lapses then the lack of leadership to change gears.

However, for a side missing key personnel, today's performance was yet another... brace yourself... honourable loss... And aren't we all sick and tired of hearing that!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #58 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
I'd like to see Mr Russell sort out the players with repeat injuries, but haven't seen any evidence thus far. Cunners, Charlie, H, Marchy, to name a few. Imagine how many options we'd have with a fit list. Over to you Mr Russell.

Maybe Mr Russell needs a bit of scrutiny?...not just on the injury front.

Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Maybe Mr Russell needs a bit of scrutiny?...not just on the injury front.

I'm having some real doubts about him.