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Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #120 –
Eddie remains AFAIC .... too valuable and I'm certain the list would say it

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #121 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=I&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=6384&pid2=1626&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2010

Like for like comparison.....
Bower's season turning 22 vs Willos season turning 22.

Bower has it all over him.....except Clangers in which Willo has more.

Just saying.....

78.2%   Disposal Efficiency %   84.5%
Bower is the right......and HE was the one who kept turning it over?
I rest my case....comedy Gold...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjPGjr49s7o

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #122 –
Proves nothing.

I reckon i've seen Cripps do that too.

Again, people have some short memories and are letting hindsight cloud their judgement.

FWIW, Paul Bower finished 7th in the B+F in 2009.
Sure, we were a crap side......but 8th was Kade Simpson.....who actually played 2 more games than Bower.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #123 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Proves nothing.

I reckon i've seen Cripps do that too.

Again, people have some short memories and are letting hindsight cloud their judgement.

FWIW, Paul Bower finished 7th in the B+F in 2009.
Sure, we were a crap side......but 8th was Kade Simpson.....who actually played 2 more games than Bower.
Nope don't have a short memory. My memories of Paul Bower remain etched in my psyche. Are they memories or nightmares?
He was a dud from very early on in my mind. Pretty sure I started calling him a donkey after a season. I don't get the same vibe with Willo. In fact I just finished watching the replay and I think he played quite well in the end. Probably stuffed up twice but on a number of occasions he was super. Let's not forget he's come back from a fair amount of time off as well. I think he needs to get through this year, then a full pre-season and decide by the end of 2021 if he is Bower-esk.
 

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #124 –
I watch this, and i see Willo.
The eagerness to run, the unknown in front of him some good stuff, some bad stuff.

The mixed bag that was Paul Bower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHXh4EVoXQA

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #125 –
FYI, that was the only Bower video i could find.

This was the only reall Willo video.

Same. same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNHJjRyFOg

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #126 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Proves nothing.

I reckon i've seen Cripps do that too.

Again, people have some short memories and are letting hindsight cloud their judgement.

FWIW, Paul Bower finished 7th in the B+F in 2009.
Sure, we were a crap side......but 8th was Kade Simpson.....who actually played 2 more games than Bower.
I'm sure if Cripps did something as stupid as that it would have been highlighted and on Youtube too...that is classic Bower asleep at the wheel.
Plowman had more votes than Weitering in the B &F last season but I know who I would be picking 1st in my best lineup..B&F's can be very charitable to some players for encouragement so I take them with a grain of salt.
Dont think Bower managed a brownlow vote did he in those 70 comedic games...?
re: those videos...I know who is the better kick.....Williamson too easy...

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #127 –
Seems a bit ugly to be talking trash about a player from years ago now...

I think Willo has the skills and is adapting to the pace, trying to find confidence and sustained form. I don’t see him panicking when he gets the ball, to me it seems he’s looking for the best option. I rate him.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #128 –
We've had some weird results. The one pt loss to Melbourne coming from 42 behind, 2pts win at Geelong after being 42pts in front, won a game by a pt against Essendon that was saved by a falcon, lost with a kick after the siren to Port, then won with a kick after the siren against Freo in really weird circumstances.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #129 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm sure if Cripps did something as stupid as that it would have been highlighted and on Youtube too...that is classic Bower asleep at the wheel.
Plowman had more votes than Weitering in the B &F last season but I know who I would be picking 1st in my best lineup..B&F's can be very charitable to some players for encouragement so I take them with a grain of salt.
Dont think Bower managed a brownlow vote did he in those 70 comedic games...?
So you ignore his B+F and try and get the umpires to prove how good/bad he is?
You've just lost the argument.

If it wasn't Cripps, it was someone equally high up on the chain.
If you want to try and search through videos with 'cripps' in the title to find the 5 second clip....be my guest.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #130 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
I actually thought Willo was pretty good. I'm going to give him a mention in the voting. Similarly Plowman and Jones. Both did stirling jobs and kept their opponents ineffective. Jones slaughtered Lobb, while Plow kept Fyffe quiet when he was forward, except for the first quarter. Cottrell was good value as well. SPS kept his man reasonably quiet, but had not effect on the game at all. Weitering was closest to lowering his colours for the first time this year.

Astute observations Crash  :)

Willo’s one percenters don’t make the stats but they do make a difference on the field.  Apart from Fyffe’s flukish “steal”, Willo was dependable and defended well.

Cottrell’s goal was great, and his celebration even better!  I thought that he was a solid contributor and his pressure helped to suppress the Freo mids.  His disposal efficiency was poor but Cripps, Curnow and Murphy weren’t much better.  As EB suggested, the conditions played a big part in that, as did our tactic of trying to gain territory at every opportunity.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #131 –
teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #132 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.

One of those close wins was Geelong. We've had close losses too so we could've been even better off. 11-11 under Teague, much better than it was before that. Won't happen overnight.

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Reply #133 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
teague and his coaching panel are so fortunate,a couple of close wins covers the reality that our game plan is no good untrustworthy.

What are the flaws?
How would you address them?
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Permutation: AFL Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #134 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
So you ignore his B+F and try and get the umpires to prove how good/bad he is?
You've just lost the argument.

If it wasn't Cripps, it was someone equally high up on the chain.
If you want to try and search through videos with 'cripps' in the title to find the 5 second clip....be my guest.

Your suggesting because Bower got more votes than Simpson one year in a B&F
that makes him a vastly superior player than Williamson... I'm saying the rest of the AFL didn't seem to rate him at all except the kind folk at Carlton who threw him a bone or two at the B&F.
Bower sadly was a running joke as a footballer for opposition fans and our own and remains that way.. I don't see Williamson getting to that comedic level and rate him higher, you disagree then that's fine...