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Reply #1800 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
My kids play a lot of games vs. sides stacked with kids with Indian and Sri Lankan backgrounds and the term "pushy parent" is very apt. I'd hate to be the coach of one of those kids, the parental interference would drive you dingbats.

Many parents want the other kids to well, just not as well as their kids! Pushy parents will be that way if the are not reined in quickly. Amazing what putting a #4 down to #11 does as a result of parental actions.

Kawaja is a bit polarising - says some good and some rubbish things. I think in the end a good career in some ordinary sides - a great lesson in perseverance.  Fielding could still do with some work.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1801 –
One needs to mediate carefully between the group and the individual. There may be a small element of truth to certain groups conforming to certain behaviors, but that needs to be measured against that fact we are individual minds, and you need to be wary of flattening or erasing any nuance or legitimate difference that exists between members of a group.

In terms of parental pushiness, my experiences were decidedly mixed, with 2 children involved in soccer, cricket, swimming, ballet, fencing, drama, choir, art classes, gymnastics. Pushy parents come in all shapes and skin colors, as do chill parents.

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Reply #1802 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
One needs to mediate carefully between the group and the individual. There may be a small element of truth to certain groups conforming to certain behaviors, but that needs to be measured against that fact we are individual minds, and you need to be wary of flattening or erasing any nuance or legitimate difference that exists between members of a group.

In terms of parental pushiness, my experiences were decidedly mixed, with 2 children involved in soccer, cricket, swimming, ballet, fencing, drama, choir, art classes, gymnastics. Pushy parents come in all shapes and skin colors, as do chill parents.

Very true Paul.  It is all too easy to attribute an individual’s behaviours to their gender, ethnicity, religion, etc when it’s really down to their personality.

I served for many years as president of a junior basketball club in multicultural Box Hill.  Pushy parents, and pushy children, were an occupational hazard and they did come in all shapes and sizes.  The worst were generally many generations removed from their immigrant forebears.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #1803 –
Inclusive language is always a concern, from either side of a debate, it signals the us versus them mentality, but who is "them"?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #1804 –
After all the calls for Green's head, he's now bowling early on a wicket that so far this season looks like the least helpful wicket for fast bowlers, and they've gone into the game without a spinner on what appears to be the most spin friendly pitch cut to 6mm.

Furthermore, he's bowling ahead of Webster who seems to have him well covered as a change bowling option in domestic 1st class.

I'd assert on display is the full bullsh1t of Cricket Australia.

It reminds me of AFL players who put end at the last possible moment before the contract is signed.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1805 –
Yep, let's continue to give poor old Usman a farewell summer, continue with no-rounder Green, play other bats out-of-position and expect Webster to work miracles as a change bowler.  Not impressed George.
Renshaw and McSweeney must be chafing behind the scenes, guess they're from the wrong state
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1806 –
I do wonder what our selectors are trying to do far too often.
[1] Not playing a spinner at the SCG is not good planning. Even with he pitch having grass, it was designed to last. That will require a decent spinner.
I heard an interesting line on the ABC as I was coming home from the Gym. The comment was that while the pitch wasn't favouring spin, it wasn't favouring swing or cut. That bodes very poorly.
[2] Our batting line-up: who is going to bat where? Who should bat where? Neither question has a clear answer.
[3] Bringing in new blood: we appear to be lacking in that area. We've spent a lot of time trying Green, who has not yet delivered. But when we replace a pace bowler, do we bring in someone new? Not, an experienced guy.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #1807 –
Hearing you, bizzaro world selectors playing games again.

Farewell test for Usman when his entire series hasn't warranted selection.  The circus around the Perth test hasn't endeared himself to everyone.
Green underlines that an all-rounder needs to be test standard in both disciplines to justify selection...it might be 140 km/hr but too much trash and not enough wicket taking deliveries. Like a diet version of Watson.
Neser and Boland too similar for mind.
Smith and Marnus patchy all series.
And not investing in a spinner (captains call).  Not on.
Real missed opportunity to give someone else a go, amazed we won the series with so many passengers and non-contributors in the side.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1808 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
One needs to mediate carefully between the group and the individual. There may be a small element of truth to certain groups conforming to certain behaviors, but that needs to be measured against that fact we are individual minds, and you need to be wary of flattening or erasing any nuance or legitimate difference that exists between members of a group.

In terms of parental pushiness, my experiences were decidedly mixed, with 2 children involved in soccer, cricket, swimming, ballet, fencing, drama, choir, art classes, gymnastics. Pushy parents come in all shapes and skin colors, as do chill parents.

This is wise words.

That being said, our work has put on 2 'indian cultural days' where the goal is to help understand the differences between Indians and 'traditional' clients and how to navigate this without being offensive.

It was run by an indian woman who has been in Melbourne for almost 2 decades now.

Summarised best by explaining India is so big and varied its best thinking about it essentially as different countries. Wealth, education, language, religion, mannerisms all change depending on where you are.

However, take home message is this. As a general rule, "if you don't ask, you don't get" and "You can't say 'no' to indians" put a lot of people offside from our end. Culturally, they are 'pushy' because they need to be. There's a billion other people they are competing with. While as a group/company, we acknowledge this, but its poor form to bow down to such demands in comparison to any other client. Why should they get favouritism simply because they are pushy??

Obviously, within that individual personalities vary, just like other cultures, but they acknowledge themselves its part of theirs. This certainly does show up in sports and with pushy parents.

For those interested in movies, 'Dangal' is an indian movie based of real events of an overbearing parent going against tradition and training his daughters up to be world class wrestlers, competing at commonwealth and olympic games as a result. A great standalone movie in its own right, but gives you a look at 'the other side'.