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Reply #1815 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Cricket factoid: Australia’s nightwatchman and regular tail-ender has scored more first class centuries than England’s number three.

Oh, not a bad knock from Travis Head … again!

You and I have scored as many first class centuries as England's number 3.......

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Reply #1816 –
There is no valid short-term reason why Green keeps getting a game ahead of Webster, I'm not interested in a debate just posting an observation.

Webster has done nothing wrong at every opportunity and struggles to get a game, Green has done little right and can't be dropped.

I'm assuming Boland has some injury or issue because he's bowled well but got just a couple of overs before they brought Green on and Nesser back.

Smith's a great batsmen but tactically he's a dud captain, he's lucky he's captained in an era through which we have dominant individuals including himself.

I don't know who to blame for the lack of a front line spinner, but regardless of the game outcome it's biting them on the ar5e at the moment. They have taken their foot of the throat of England, did they do this for the good of test cricket or through stupidity?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1817 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Cricket factoid: Australia’s nightwatchman and regular tail-ender has scored more first class centuries than England’s number three.

Oh, not a bad knock from Travis Head … again!

You and I have scored as many first class centuries as England's number 3.......

He's one up on us now … and I don’t think either of us will catch him.

Looks like he'll make a few more over the coming years too.  Good to see a young bloke given a chance and making the most of it.
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Reply #1818 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on


You and I have scored as many first class centuries as England's number 3.......

He's one up on us now … and I don’t think either of us will catch him.

Looks like he'll make a few more over the coming years too.  Good to see a young bloke given a chance and making the most of it.

Bit of a breath of fresh air, in all his post-innings interviews.  Bit cheeky, not too concerned with towing the company line, seems like a great kid

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Reply #1819 –
Doesn't it change things when you give a bit of new blood an opportunity?

For too long in regard to squads, the ECB, BCCI and CA have behaved like defenders of a cartel, not selection panels.

We keep getting told there is nobody, no other options, already it's the best available, until the opportunity arrives!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1820 –
Especially when it comes to spin bowling. We don't have pitches that spinners thrive on because they don't break up much. Even for the Sheffield Shield, games are played to be won, so pitches that prefer quicks are more usual.
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Reply #1821 –
Well, that’s done now.
Resounding moral victory to the English…
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Reply #1822 –
As a person who know SFA about cricket, I have always wondered why a T20 or One Day Style of go the tonk is never applied in Test cricket. Or why players who are guns (bowling and batting) in the short forms are no good in the longer form. I guess the English team demonstrated it but I still cant work out the "differences" in skill set. Can the aficionados (Proff or EB) provide some simple dot points for me explaining or pin pointing the nuances (apart from the obvious length of the games) of Test and Short form Cricket.
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Reply #1823 –
No Field restrictions
Bowling rules. Bouncers, wider deliveries
No over limits.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1824 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
As a person who know SFA about cricket, I have always wondered why a T20 or One Day Style of go the tonk is never applied in Test cricket. Or why players who are guns (bowling and batting) in the short forms are no good in the longer form. I guess the English team demonstrated it but I still cant work out the "differences" in skill set. Can the aficionados (Proff or EB) provide some simple dot points for me explaining or pin pointing the nuances (apart from the obvious length of the games) of Test and Short form Cricket.
In Test cricket you defend the good balls and score off the bad balls, in the shorter formats you are trying to score off every delivery. So Test cricket requires batsman to have good technique to defend the good deliveries unlike short format cricket where you can be a park cross batted slogger and still have success. Leaving a good ball is seen as a skill in Test cricket but a sin in the shorter formats, Australian batsman in the old days would spend some time playing County cricket or Lancashire League cricket as Professionals to tighten their techniques against the moving ball. There seems less of that these days as the County system employs less overseas professionals and is also favouring the shorter formats where the money is important. The wickets being produced for the different formats are also different with the shorter formats requiring flatter even bounced pitches with no movement" while ideal test matches start off with greeners strips initially that flatten out then turn later and help the spinners so every facet of the game is on display unlike the shorter formats where batting holds sway through the contest. The Sheffield Shield system in Australia has produced well coached players with good technique over the years and this is where the English have fallen behind in their love of the shorter format money spinning formats imho which of course are all in part connected to the IPL where players who do well in their countries domestic short format comps get picked up by Indian IPL teams.
Of course some players can play across the different formats with success but when a wicket favours the bowlers these days you quickly see who the real test players are. eg David Warner made the move from the short format game to test cricket and had success everywhere but in England where technique is king, but on the green seaming wickets he failed miserably.
Unfortunately the game is dominated by money now at all levels and pitches favouring bowlers are frowned upon and curators made accountable if games end early and the wicket requires serious technique and grit to survive on.
Bazball is an example of where short format cricket meets test cricket and vs mug nations its had success playing the style what your initial question alluded too but has failed vs the better schooled test nations like Australia and India who still teach solid technique at a young age.
Good technique is... solid basics like a balanced stance, head over the ball, and precise footwork(forward and back) with crucial mental attributes: patience, temperament, and the ability to concentrate for long periods to tire bowlers and build big scores.