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Reply #30
One of the key reasons that retribution -- 25cent lead bullet to the brain stem -- doesn't work, and in fact only makes things worse, is that, in this case, the 17 year alleged murderer has friends and family, and when you drop one of theirs, they'll drop you or one of yours... and so the cycle continues. And all the while a mum & dad and their unborn remain dead.
But said 17 ahole will never kill another mother and unborn child again, or anyone else for that matter. As for his scum friends and family seeking retribution, good luck with that. 50 Priors, how many chances does a person get? There is no deterrent, no proper paying of dues to society, no rehab hope. Mother and unborn child going about their lawful business remain dead, their loved ones destroyed for life. Think about that for a moment, it breaks my heart and makes me tear up.
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Reply #31
Ask Bilal Skaf (lebo rapist) how his life's going.  Another bast**d who should have been shot.

He still gets his beatings in the big house. 

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Reply #32
Ask Bilal Skaf (lebo rapist) how his life's going.  Another bast**d who should have been shot.

He still gets his beatings in the big house.
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Reply #33
Ask Bilal Skaf (lebo rapist) how his life's going.  Another bast**d who should have been shot.

He still gets his beatings in the big house. 
I hope the punch the living fark out of him to within an inch of his life every day for the rest of his scum life.
2017 - 16th
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2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

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Reply #34
But said 17 ahole will never kill another mother and unborn child again, or anyone else for that matter. As for his scum friends and family seeking retribution, good luck with that. 50 Priors, how many chances does a person get? There is no deterrent, no proper paying of dues to society, no rehab hope. Mother and unborn child going about their lawful business remain dead, their loved ones destroyed for life. Think about that for a moment, it breaks my heart and makes me tear up.

I understand your anger, I felt exactly the same thing.

But if we look around the globe seeking injustice, it is breathtaking just how much tragedy and death there is due to human illness, manipulation, arrogance and just plain stupidity. Just one example would be the many families in the US who are mourning the death of loved ones from Covid due to a President and other conservative politicians who didn't take it seriously or who thought economics were more important than human life, or that it was a conspiracy. To me they're just as culpable as a 17 year old criminal responsible for the deaths of 3 innocent people. They all have blood on their hands.

I could come up with lots more examples of how white collar criminals bankrupt and ruin innocent, hard working folks, driving some to suicide. When it comes to injustice, it comes in all shapes and sizes.

In the words of Martin Luther King jr., "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
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Reply #35
I understand your anger, I felt exactly the same thing.

But if we look around the globe seeking injustice, it is breathtaking just how much tragedy and death there is due to human illness, manipulation, arrogance and just plain stupidity. Just one example would be the many families in the US who are mourning the death of loved ones from Covid due to a President and other conservative politicians who didn't take it seriously or who thought economics were more important than human life, or that it was a conspiracy. To me they're just as culpable as a 17 year old criminal responsible for the deaths of 3 innocent people. They all have blood on their hands.

I could come up with lots more examples of how white collar criminals bankrupt and ruin innocent, hard working folks, driving some to suicide. When it comes to injustice, it comes in all shapes and sizes.

In the words of Martin Luther King jr., "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
Analogous but at the same time different in my mind. I just can't see reason in cases like this as you do, you clearly have a experience in this area and I appreciate your voice of reason. Thankfully I'm not in charge, prisons would be empty and cemeteries would be full (of the scourge of society). I have issues with scum who have priors, lists as long as your arm, who just don't learn and are put back into society. Or dangerous individuals who are granted bail only to commit further serious offences. I am not as naive as to think we can stop this occurring altogether, but I do think a lot tougher penalties and reform around granting of bail is needed in this country pronto. Our legal system seems to favour the perp rather than the victim IMO.
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2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - dare to dream?
2021 - Pi$$ or get off the pot

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Reply #36
Analogous but at the same time different in my mind. I just can't see reason in cases like this as you do, you clearly have a experience in this area and I appreciate your voice of reason. Thankfully I'm not in charge, prisons would be empty and cemeteries would be full (of the scourge of society). I have issues with scum who have priors, lists as long as your arm, who just don't learn and are put back into society. Or dangerous individuals who are granted bail only to commit further serious offences. I am not as naive as to think we can stop this occurring altogether, but I do think a lot tougher penalties and reform around granting of bail is needed in this country pronto. Our legal system seems to favour the perp rather than the victim IMO.

Same page. Absolutely on the same page. So often the leniency given to perps (blue collar or white collar crims) is a bloody great whack in the face to the victims. And a system that knowingly sends dangerous/broken/mentally ill people back onto the streets is seriously fckd up, seriously in need of an overhaul - huge overhaul. It's a cliche that judges, once setting a certain crim free, KNOW they'll see him or her again soon.
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Reply #37
I'm a little over the Trump thumping re covid as (1) it has nothing to do with this thread and (2) if it did, it's contentious, but see below.

The coronavirus was still a far-away problem in Wuhan when U.S. President Donald Trump announced a ban on travel from China in late January 2020. Six weeks later, as the coronavirus ravaged Italy, Trump closed travel from Europe.

https://theconversation.com/travelers-coming-from-italy-may-have-driven-first-us-covid-19-wave-more-than-those-from-china-study-suggests-153843

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Reply #38
I'm a little over the Trump thumping re covid as (1) it has nothing to do with this thread and (2) if it did, it's contentious, but see below.

The coronavirus was still a far-away problem in Wuhan when U.S. President Donald Trump announced a ban on travel from China in late January 2020. Six weeks later, as the coronavirus ravaged Italy, Trump closed travel from Europe.

https://theconversation.com/travelers-coming-from-italy-may-have-driven-first-us-covid-19-wave-more-than-those-from-china-study-suggests-153843

This thread is titled, 'justice'. In the minds of most scientifically minded/medically knowledgeable people, Trump committed an awful crime (inJUSTICE) against his people by minimizing Covid. In this argument, where Covid came from is not the issue, it's what Trump did (or didn't do) once he was made aware of the magnitude of the problem. He even admitted 'playing it down'. Do you recall he labelled the Covid virus a hoax? As did most of the far right...QAnon and like minded, in fact many still do see it as a hoax or nothing more than a bad flu. Have a listen to what Fauci says about the difference between working for Trump V the new administration.

So where is the justice for the families of those who have dead loved ones from Covid in the US? Yes, the degree of his culpability is debatable, but what is not debatable is his huge contribution to the poor management of this virus in his country. He was in the position to do much, much more than he did.

What about how he manipulated the JUSTICE systems to avoid prosecution re bankruptcies? Taxes. When a project of his goes bankrupt, who suffers? Have you read the numerous reports of devastated families whose businesses went to the wall because Trump didn't pay them? Where's the justice for them? And they number in the thousands. In my own life I have sat with self employed folks who've been devastated by white collar criminals - specifically, non-payment of bills sending them to the wall... for two families I recall vividly, holding their hands as they grieved for the suicide of their husband/father. All hard working, honest people. Innocent victims of charming, smooth talking white collar crims... and none are in prison.

Being self-employed myself I know what it is like to depend on people paying their bills so my family can live... and pay our bills and our taxes. Trump cares nil about such things, as is the nature of the narcissist/sociopath mental illness... or do you excuse/justify his behaviour due to his mental illness?

I didn't realise that you are a Trump apologist/fan and that your interpretation of 'justice' is so selective as to exclude the pain inflicted on the community by white collar criminals. Sorry mate, but your boy is a criminal with a lot of blood on his hands.
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Reply #39
I'm a little over the Trump thumping re covid ...what about the millions of grieving people in the US, I bet they're not 'over it'.
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Reply #40
I didn't realise that you are a Trump apologist/fan and that your interpretation of 'justice' is so selective as to exclude the pain inflicted on the community by white collar criminals. Sorry mate, but your boy is a criminal with a lot of blood on his hands.

You didn't realise it for the bloody good reason is I'm on record on the CSC site as saying I'm not.  Look it up before labelling me.

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Reply #41
You didn't realise it for the bloody good reason is I'm on record on the CSC site as saying I'm not.  Look it up before labelling me.


It was certainly not my intention to label you but can see that I have stepped over the mark in my response to you and for that I unreservedly apologize - unfair, unwarranted.

I feel extremely passionate about 'justice' or, perhaps, more accurately - injustice. Injustice at any level but that does not excuse or justify in any way my 'injustice' toward you. I really am sorry, mate. If we ever meet... off to the pub, all shouts on me.
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