Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

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Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

March 17, 2021, 05:52:23 pm

In a lot of ways I want to beat Richmond more than Collingwood at the moment; their fans have become insufferable since they started winning. They need a good dose of losing for a change.
However, detestation of Collingwood was bred into me. I want to flog them.
We will have a few players available this time, but we will not be a full strength for some time to come.
Williams is near certain to debut for us.

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Reply #1 – March 18, 2021, 11:03:35 pm

In : Williams, Martin (hopefully, Betts if not)

Out : Silvagni (inj), O'Brien

Might even consider McDonald ahead of Casboult. Levi looked slower than a statue tonight, and the run in the game really showed him up.

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Reply #2 – March 19, 2021, 01:17:30 am

Quote from: tonyo – on March 18, 2021, 11:03:35 pm

In : Williams, Martin (hopefully, Betts if not)

Out : Silvagni (inj), O'Brien

Might even consider McDonald ahead of Casboult. Levi looked slower than a statue tonight, and the run in the game really showed him up.

Levi is definitely lacking some conditioning. He probably needs time in the VFL. His ruck work was very ordinary as well.

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Reply #3 – March 19, 2021, 08:24:00 am

Quote from: crashlander – on March 19, 2021, 01:17:30 am

Levi is definitely lacking some conditioning. He probably needs time in the VFL. His ruck work was very ordinary as well.

Yet I thought in the middle he was more effective in the 2nd half than Pittonet, they all looked underdone, is that perhaps deliberate given the effect of the new rules?

Have a look at Dow, went from run above the ground in pre-season to slug mode again like he was injured!

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Reply #4 – March 19, 2021, 03:58:02 pm

Out SOS SPS
In Williams Stocker
I'd persist with Dow and LOB
Martin won't get up I reckon, if he does, perhaps LOB makes way.

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Reply #5 – March 19, 2021, 04:21:05 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 19, 2021, 03:58:02 pm

Out SOS SPS
In Williams Stocker
I'd persist with Dow and LOB
Martin won't get up I reckon, if he does, perhaps LOB makes way.

I asked in the other thread if anyone would keep LOB in the side.

I then suggested that anyone who would, is doing so simply to give him some time in the 1's and hopefully get up to speed. Rather than he deserves his spot through his performance.

So i gotta ask, which is it?

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Reply #6 – March 19, 2021, 04:40:45 pm

3 changes I reckon.
Out: LOB, SPS and Jack
In: Williams, Martin and Oscar. If Martin is not ready I would play Stocker.

I would give Dow another week. He preseason form was promising and needs to be given every chance to prove he can play at this level. Lob made some howling errors that cost us so even though it was a tough game to promote him in he should be dropped imo.
Can’t possibly continue to gift SPS games anymore. Stuff him. Needs a massive rocket this bloke. He either pulls his finger out and gives 100% defensively or he can play 2s and go back to riding bulls in WA next year cause doubt anyone will want him.

Massive massive game this one. No excuses if we are going to make the move we all said we should be this is a must win game.

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Reply #7 – March 19, 2021, 04:43:06 pm

Quote from: shawny – on March 19, 2021, 04:40:45 pm

3 changes I reckon.
Out: LOB, SPS and Jack
In: Williams, Martin and Oscar. If Martin is not ready I would play Stocker.

I would give Dow another week. He preseason form was promising and needs to be given every chance to prove he can play at this level. Lob made some howling errors that cost us so even though it was a tough game to promote him in he should be dropped imo.
Can’t possibly continue to gift SPS games anymore. Stuff him. Needs a massive rocket this bloke. He either pulls his finger out and gives 100% defensively or he can play 2s and go back to riding bulls in WA next year cause doubt anyone will want him.

Massive massive game this one. No excuses if we are going to make the move we all said we should be this is a must win game.

Don't be so negative!

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Reply #8 – March 19, 2021, 05:01:18 pm

Cant have three small defenders who prefer rebounding to defending and getting their hands dirty.
I thought Saad defended well plus ran/attacked used the ball well after a poor first quarter where he had two goals kicked on him and was in our best players easily.
Docherty and SPS both had very average games for different reasons, poor Doc has had a terrible run with injuries and ill health and just lacks confidence and touch. SPS for reasons discussed at great length by others isnt your ideal defender and now we have Saad, isnt required down back anymore as a rebounder and I'd be removing him from that role.
Williamson does some good things but also looks jittery and everyone knows that when he goes on his right side you have got him covered and he will turn the ball over....his position in the team is 50/50 with Newman waiting his turn.
We also had the shaky Jones on display, when he had the ball it made me nervous which option he would take and Reiwoldt really made him look bad on the stats sheet with such straight kicking, wasnt so much his defending but his panicky use of the ball.
Its a defense needing stability and another player who can be reliable like Weitering and Saad, Tigers have that solid reliable well drilled defense to anchor the team and even though we controlled a lot of the play we couldnt score heavily and they lived off our mistakes rather than generating a lot of their own good play IMO.

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Reply #9 – March 19, 2021, 05:10:11 pm

I think the time has come with SPS and biting the bullet.....move him out of defence!

We got Saad and Williams in who play a similar role to SPS, runner + user.

Put SPS further up the ground and let him kick at goal, not 2m in front of mids in the centre of the ground.

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Reply #10 – March 19, 2021, 05:30:28 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 19, 2021, 05:10:11 pm

I think the time has come with SPS and biting the bullet.....move him out of defence!

We got Saad and Williams in who play a similar role to SPS, runner + user.

Put SPS further up the ground and let him kick at goal, not 2m in front of mids in the centre of the ground.

I think SPS has been played out of position in an effort to turn him into a Saad-like defender. Now that we have the real thing, I would re-purpose him into a run-with mid. We will need one when Ed finally hits the wall.

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Reply #11 – March 19, 2021, 05:31:38 pm

Quote from: tonyo – on March 19, 2021, 05:30:28 pm

I think SPS has been played out of position in an effort to turn him into a Saad-like defender. Now that we have the real thing, I would re-purpose him into a run-with mid. We will need one when Ed finally hits the wall.

We can't get him to chase an opponent when he is a defender....what hope do we have if he is a mid?!

Wing/HF for mine.

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Reply #12 – March 19, 2021, 05:39:54 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 19, 2021, 05:31:38 pm

We can't get him to chase an opponent when he is a defender....what hope do we have if he is a mid?!

Wing/HF for mine.

Tend to agree, I think SPS might have the odd day when he can defend and man a player but its not his natural game and as a winger he might have some freedom to create. I see him as that 4th or 5th midfielder not as a core player who you can rely on each week to get you 30 possies but that poor mans Brad Hill type.

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Reply #13 – March 19, 2021, 06:08:04 pm

Shawny....exactly my selection in another thread. McDonald can be a marking option and Casboult purely back up ruck. Martin and Williams in for sure....LOB, SPS and SOSJ out.

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Reply #14 – March 19, 2021, 07:24:41 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 19, 2021, 04:21:05 pm

I asked in the other thread if anyone would keep LOB in the side.

I then suggested that anyone who would, is doing so simply to give him some time in the 1's and hopefully get up to speed. Rather than he deserves his spot through his performance.

So i gotta ask, which is it?

He has great endurance and has a weapon of a left foot but doesn't use either enough. He needs it drummed into him to take the game on and use those weapons at every opportunity. He needs game after game in the top flight league to learn how to use them. Go for broke, play him every week and get the confidence up and he could flourish. Just my opinion.