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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #75 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Can we name 22 players who get in the 22 on merit?

I reckon we are a few short of that 22 at the moment.

Impossible to answer as a few who are shining in the Magoos are not being given a chance at senior level. Still the most conservative club in the competition at the selection table... form means nought next to reputation or perceived 'balance'.

At present, I reckon, based on form, we're sending out, about, our best 18 each week. Casboult & Willo were embarrassing against Rottingwood... and that's just for starters. Then you have to account for the fact that we regularly play 2-3 blokes out of position... so now we're down to a 'stable' 15 or so... then there's no defensive pressure... then there's the playing blokes on reputation not form (come on down Murphy & Co.), now we're down to a 'stable' 13 or so... oh dear, I picked a bad week to give up amphetamines (with thanks to Lloyd Bridges).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #76 –
Quote from: LP – on
A big problem for us is that we only have a couple of A-Grade ball users, and sMurph is one of them.

While we are getting smashed in the midfield, I feel we haven't got enough footy "on our terms" to judge the D50 or F50. When we do get the footy we are under the pump or trapped in a press.
Murphy is being gifted games to get him to 300, I get it,  not many players reach that milestone but he is taking a spot that a youngster should have on the wing.I'm no fan of LOB at this stage but he along with Cottrell and others need that spot to either make or break them as players and I really think its a bit selfish of Murphy to be prolonging his career for glory and think he should say to the club I will step down and retire gracefully.
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We are seriously trading out cripps now?


Be careful what you wish for.  Many were happy to get rid of Gibbs for two first rounders.

Those players are Dow and Lachie o brien.

Cripps is going now, and his worst footy is still capable of being a match winner and we are going to ask for maybe sps, dow and lochie o brien back at the trade table potentially....

Im glad many on here aren't list managers. 
I think the Gibbs deal was fine and good trading but the Dow and LOB selections obviously are looking shaky.
We might not have to make a call on Cripps, if we only offer 750k like Cornes and Lloyd value him at then he wont be staying, he will take the million dollar offer/s and walk.
What a lot of people are forgetting is we dont really have much of a hold on Cripps anymore, he will be a restricted free agent and if he does stay its going to be for a over inflated deal or for a short term deal so he can leave after a couple of years and take the big dollars then rather than now. This maybe the last time we can call the shots and will have to do what GWS did with Cameron and force a trade by matching another clubs offer if Cripps says he wants out...
You have to play the odds, no club killer big money  deals and no short term contract where we could end up big time losers and get nothing for him trade wise except a compo pick..
It cant be an emotional deal it has to be business....

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #77 –
Oh yay.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #78 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Murphy is being gifted games to get him to 300, I get it,  not many players reach that milestone but he is taking a spot that a youngster should have on the wing.I'm no fan of LOB at this stage but he along with Cottrell and others need that spot to either make or break them as players and I really think its a bit selfish of Murphy to be prolonging his career for glory and think he should say to the club I will step down and retire gracefully.I think the Gibbs deal was fine and good trading but the Dow and LOB selections obviously are looking shaky.
We might not have to make a call on Cripps, if we only offer 750k like Cornes and Lloyd value him at then he wont be staying, he will take the million dollar offer/s and walk.
What a lot of people are forgetting is we dont really have much of a hold on Cripps anymore, he will be a restricted free agent and if he does stay its going to be for a over inflated deal or for a short term deal so he can leave after a couple of years and take the big dollars then rather than now. This maybe the last time we can call the shots and will have to do what GWS did with Cameron and force a trade by matching another clubs offer if Cripps says he wants out...
You have to play the odds, no club killer big money  deals and no short term contract where we could end up big time losers and get nothing for him trade wise except a compo pick..
It cant be an emotional deal it has to be business....

Hence the question; is it time to consider a mega type trade deal with the WA clubs? It would involve Cripps, Fisher and McGovern - what would we get back? The other option is we trade the farm (Cripps & co) to get back a bonanza we then try to trade to the Bulldogs and prise out Bontempelli and another proven performer who will fit our game style - what do we do?

Assuming we are looking at this clinically without emotional attachment. Is it the right time, or do we feel this is a temporary situation and we are confident Cripps is committed and will be so for life - and does he suit us going forward?

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #79 –
Jack Martin and Zac Fisher both ruled out for up to 6 weeks!!!!

Can it get any worse for us in terms of injuries?

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #80 –
You can now be guaranteed that Cripps won’t be ‘managed’ this week with those 2 extra outs.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #81 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
You can now be guaranteed that Cripps won’t be ‘managed’ this week with those 2 extra outs.
And also some non performers will survive for another period of time.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #82 –
2x Smallish, quick types out

I smell a return of LOB!  :o

Personally i'd go...
Fisher <-> Betts
Martin <-> Carroll

Add to that....
Casboult <-> McDonald
Willo <-> Stocker

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #83 –
Thanks too common sense for our imbecilic MC to contemplate.

Freo have a very hard midfield,  ours is as soft as.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #84 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Cerra and Serong for Crippa?

Can you imagine us fielding a side next year without Cripps in the middle.

Seriously think about it. The only way imo it would even be considered is to get back 2 ready made mids.  Cant lose a bull like Cripps from the shallowest midfield in the comp and then replace him with 2 more kids that are still developing.
 
Already as it stands our midfield is lagging way behind were it should be - it has to be made instantly better to consider a swap of players - and getting more kids in regardless our much potential they have is too risky.

We just cannot afford to take any backward steps now.  Those rebuilding years of waiting patiently while developing a young midfield are well and truly over. 

IMO they should have been over 2 years ago.

 
 

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #85 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
2x Smallish, quick types out

I smell a return of LOB!  :o

Personally i'd go...
Fisher <-> Betts
Martin <-> Carroll

Add to that....
Casboult <-> McDonald
Willo <-> Stocker

Need Cunningham back in. Certainty to come in with Martin and Fisher Out.

Betts and Cunningham will come in, Murphy will win a reprieve.

Stocker would be stiff to miss.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #86 –
No to Cunningham until he plays 5 ood games in a row in the twos.   Not a ten minute patch in two consecutive games...over his inconsistency. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #87 –
Get used to being without Cripps next year, I read an article in the WestAustralian paper this morning about his girlfriend and her mental health battles. She has received a lot of hate mail from Carlton supporters about her relationship with him, some telling her to kill herself others saying he’s having an affair etc  She came across quite strongly saying she wouldn’t let the keyboard warriors get to her etc. His younger brother has also just overcome a knee injury and is playing with East Freo colts as a 19 year old overage player. When people say he’s from  the country not Perth, that’s just where the family farm is. He’s pretty comfy in Perth and East Freo is a nice spot on the river.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #88 –
If Cripps decides to leave the club , can’t begrudge the guy has given plenty on field throughout his 120 games, and if he can secure his future long term and be close to his family I wish well.
The club will be well rewarded  should  he leave, I’ve got no problem especially as 2021 will be another strong draft ,  it may be the best for all parties.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #89 –
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/carlton-afl-star-patrick-cripps-partner-monique-fontana-reveals-shocking-cyber-bullying-after-ocd-reveal-ng-b881833351z.amp

Terrible.

If Cripps goes with of course you can’t begrudge him however success matters - if we pull our finger out and compete properly and make finals I’m
Sure that would change things.